On Sunday, 11 September 2016 21:05:12 UTC+1, Lee  wrote:
> does dns hijacking or dns cache poisoning count as mitm?

A careful CA validator does DNS only by making authoritative queries, so 
they're not subject to cache poisoning since they don't look at cached answers.

I think a successful DNS hijack against a CA validator would constitute a MITM 
except in the case where the attacker is straight up subverting the legitimate 
name owner's real systems. In /that/ case even DNSSEC doesn't necessarily help 
you, if they've subverted your systems they can give out DNS answers that check 
out as signed OK but say whatever they wish.

In the former case DNSSEC would protect you, and I agree that where it has been 
deployed CA validators should check it, but in a world where there are still 
login HTML forms with no HTTPS behind them, how surprised are we supposed to be 
that people don't all have DNSSEC for their domains ?
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