On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 3:34 PM Paul Wouters <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jun 8, 2024, at 23:53, Mike Shaver <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The CA’s primary responsibility is to the web’s users, not to its
> customers.
>
> That is an interesting view, possibly not shared by its shareholders or
> the legal framework of the countries they operate in.
>
If you have a different view of the BRs to which Entrust and other CAs have
committed, or how they conflict in a concrete way with other legal
frameworks, then that would be a fine thing to discuss with details in
another thread here or perhaps on the CCADB list.

I don’t know what they tell their shareholders, but that’s also not my
problem. They don’t have to be in this business, however we got to this
situation historically; I think we may well find out that the web can
operate just fine without Entrust acting in this capacity at all.

There are many technology businesses which are successful even with the
existence of non-profit or similar competition. CAs are not owed a
profitable business, especially not at the expense of the integrity of the
web’s critical, fragile PKI.

I don’t see how using the DNS and a registrar (instead of a TLS handshake
and a root CA) to distribute service identity information fundamentally
changes the economics or pressures, but I’m happy to be pointed to
something if you think it’s germane to the discussion of how we want CAs to
create, or not create, incentives related to automation and certificate
agility. Again, perhaps a topic more suited to the CCADB list than to this
branch of a discussion of Entrust’s behaviour.

Mike

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