Google just introduced automatic malware scanner for Chrome Web Store 
submissions: https://plus.google.com/+GoogleChromeDevelopers/posts/3kpAu4VcP5E 

They also seem to have this policy of falling back to manual reviews only if 
automatic checks failed, or app is resubmitted after being suspended: 
https://developers.google.com/chrome/web-store/faq#faq-listing-08

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:05:28 PM UTC-4, Gene Vayngrib wrote:
> Hello Mounir,
> 
> 
> 
> So in your view the review process is the effective way to prevent security 
> issues from flaring up in the Web APIs that have not reached maturity?
> 
> 
> 
> Allow me to challenge that. If you look at the amount of code in our 
> framework, on top of which we are building Firefox OS apps ( 
> http://github.com/urbien/urbini ), and the high volume of commits, you will 
> see that reviewer will quickly get lost and certainly will not be able to 
> keep up with the speed of updates.
> 
> 
> 
> 1. May be what you mean is that the review process allows to remove the app 
> from the marketplace and thus it is a control mechanism used to weed out the 
> malicious or security prone apps?
> 
> 
> 
> But isn't this 'revocation from the marketplace' control mechanism applicable 
> to the hosted apps, providing they are allowed to be installed on the device 
> only if they are registered (but not reviewed) by the Marketplace?
> 
> 
> 
> 2. In addition some companies may spring up to do virus checking and 
> vulnerability analysis directly on the hosted app's website, as is quite 
> common on the ecommerce sites, take a look at the survey: 
> http://baymard.com/blog/site-seal-trust
> 
> 
> 
> Although such mechanism does not provide a bullet proof solution of crypto 
> signatures with the additional guarantee of the uncompromisable zip of the 
> app downloaded directly from the marketplace, if it is done automatically and 
> hourly, it should be good enough. Then Firefox OS app install process could 
> warn the user if the app does not have such a "trust seal". If app is not 
> adorned with the "trust seal", then user will make a decision based on a 
> brand name, app install stats and user reviews scores.
> 
> 
> 
> 3. Marketplace can offer one more service, paid hosting. It can then serve 
> hosted apps over SSL and have a way to verify apps in real time as they are 
> changed by developers. Some underdog cloud companies will likely jump on this 
> opportunity and will integrate with 'trust seal' companies. This gets Mozilla 
> off the hook and may even provide an extra revenue stream.
> 
> 
> 
> These moves will allow even the immature Web APIs to be used by the hosted 
> web apps, with 2 small requirement only, a manifest and a quick registration 
> in a marketplace. This is not too much for the developer, and will not bog 
> down Mozilla resources in supporting two app models, hosted and packaged, 
> will free Mozilla resources from hiring, training and managing reviewers 
> (even if they are just volunteers and ask for no pay) and what is more 
> important, it will avoid creating a constant friction with developers around 
> the lengthy and subjective review process. If you think it is non-existent 
> problem, take a look at this two week old post  by a developer and the answer 
> from Mozilla: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/mozilla.dev.webapps/Vma71BM2up4/s_MggYloat4J
> 
> 
> 
> 4. If this is not enough, leave packaged apps for now for some special cases, 
> like apps which need full access to the device's file system, or device 
> backup apps, that need access to everything. 
> 
> 
> 
> 5. Meanwhile, before any changes are made, you might recommend to developers 
> a hybrid model. A small packaged app that is fairly rarely changed and acts 
> like a shell for an iframe with a mozbrowser attribute, where the rest of the 
> app works. This will take the pressure off of the review process, by greatly 
> reducing the frequency of app updates and the amount of code that reviewers 
> need to read. This is the model we are offering to the third-party apps that 
> use our Urbini framework.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> 
> 
> -- Gene Vayngrib
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:25:03 PM UTC-4, Mounir Lamouri wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> 
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > tl;dr: it is too early to deprecate packaged apps. They are a good tool
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> >
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> > to experiment and can already start taking over the native app world.
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Our APIs are not mature enough to be moved to the Web. Most APIs that
> 
> >
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> > are privileged-only will get significant changes in the future. Packaged
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> >
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> > apps is an environment where we can actually change APIs relatively
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> >
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> > easily. We are actually thinking of adding an "api version" in the
> 
> >
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> > manifest to make such a mechanism working.
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > In addition, of not being mature, some APIs have security issues that we
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> >
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> > do not know how to solve yet and solving them is not trivial. Having
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> >
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> > those APIs for packaged apps only with a review system allow us to delay
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> >
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> > having a security model for the Web (where we can't review content). We
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> >
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> > will hopefully get to that at some point.
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > In other words, I see packaged apps as a nice playground where we can
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> >
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> > experiment things before having them go in the Web.
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Furthermore, one of the things Mozilla wanted to solve with Firefox OS
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> >
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> > was to make things simpler for developers and users. Having one platform
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> >
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> > (the Web) that will no longer require you to re-buy apps if you change
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> >
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> > phone. We are not close to solve the second problem but packaged apss
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> >
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> > will help with the former. Even if packaged apps are not really the Web,
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> >
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> > they are using Web Technologies and will help developers to write
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> >
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> > applications that could way easily be ported from a platform to another.
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> >
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> > SysApps could be a good path and we could standardise APIs there in a
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> >
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> > way that, at some point, an application for Chrome, Firefox or Tizen
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> >
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> > would look exactly the same.
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> >
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> >
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> > Having all those APIs available to the Web is something everyone in the
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> >
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> > WebAPI team want but this is not going to happen overnight and we should
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> >
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> > be realistic and try to fix our problems one at a time.
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> >
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> >
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> >
> 
> > --
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> >
> 
> > Mounir
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> >
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> >
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> >
> 
> > On 08/07/13 14:31, Ben Francis wrote:
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> >
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> > > Sorry for the typo in the subject line. It wasn't an attempt at a clever
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> >
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> > > pun...
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Hello all,
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Apologies for the length of this email, I didn't have time to write a
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> >
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> > > shorter one.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > A year ago Jonas sent out an email [1] outlining the requirements for a 
> > > new
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> >
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> > > breed of trusted web apps. He explained some of the challenges of
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> >
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> > > fulfilling these requirements with hosted apps and set out the rationale
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> >
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> > > for starting with a packaged app solution, with a view to exploring
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> >
> 
> > > something more "webby" later.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Now that we have shipped v1 of Firefox OS [2] with a packaged solution for
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> >
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> > > trusted apps I would like to re-open this discussion and get your feedback
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> >
> 
> > > on whether and how we might make trusted apps more web-like.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > In order to gain access to many of the new APIs we have created in Firefox
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> >
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> > > OS, web content creators must change their entire distribution model and
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> >
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> > > package the assets of their app into a zip file to be signed and served
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> >
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> > > from one or more app stores. These assets do not have their own URIs on 
> > > the
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> >
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> > > Internet and are served over a local app:// protocol instead of HTTP. This
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> >
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> > > is similar to how native apps on other mobile platforms work, and is also
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> >
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> > > similar to the packaged apps used in Chrome & Chrome OS, as well as W3C
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> >
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> > > widgets. However, it isn't much like how the web works. There is no one
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> >
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> > > definitive version of the app at a single URI and the update process is
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> >
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> > > very different.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > The System Applications Working Group [3] at the W3C have actually started
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> >
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> > > some early drafts of specifications to standardise an app manifest/package
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> >
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> > > format and the app:// URI scheme, based largely on the work done by
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> >
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> > > Mozilla. Meanwhile at Google I/O, Google showed a version of the Chrome 
> > > Web
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> >
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> > > Store [4] where hosted apps are re-branded simply as "web sites", with the
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> >
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> > > term "app" being limited to packaged apps using their own .crx packaging
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> >
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> > > format. I have also heard suggestions that support for hosted apps may at
> 
> >
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> > > some point be deprecated in Chrome altogether, in favour of supporting 
> > > only
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> >
> 
> > > packaged apps. The message coming from both Mozilla and Google right now 
> > > is
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> >
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> > > that all trusted apps must be packaged, hosted web apps can simply not be
> 
> >
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> > > trusted with access to new privileged APIs.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > What's sad about this vision of the future is that many of the most
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> >
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> > > interesting apps that get written using web technologies like HTML, CSS 
> > > and
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> >
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> > > JavaScript will not actually be part of the web. As Tim Berners-Lee
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> >
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> > > recently put it in an interview with the BBC about native apps [5], when
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> >
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> > > apps and their content don't have a URI on the Internet they are not part
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> >
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> > > of the "discourse" of the web and are therefore non-web. This was a topic
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> >
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> > > discussed at the "Meet the TAG" event hosted by Mozilla in London 
> > > recently,
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> >
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> > > with members of the W3C's Technical Architecture Group expressing
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> >
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> > > disappointment in this trend.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Are we happy with a packaged model for trusted apps going forward, or is
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> >
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> > > now the time to embrace the challenge of making trusted apps genuinely 
> > > part
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> >
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> > > of the web? Perhaps we don't even need to restrict our thinking to the
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> >
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> > > "app" and "app store" model and can explore ways of exposing more
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> >
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> > > privileged APIs to all web content in a trusted way.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
> 
> > > If you're interested in the nitty gritty of this problem, I've tried to
> 
> >
> 
> > > summarise Jonas' original email below. I hope he forgives me if I
> 
> >
> 
> > > mis-represent him in any way, but you can read his original email in the
> 
> >
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> > > archives [1].
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> >
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> > >
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> >
> 
> > > ...
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> >
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> > >
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> >
> 
> > > In his email, Jonas proposed the following requirements for trusted apps:
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> >
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> > > 1. The ability for a trusted party to review an app and indicate some 
> > > level
> 
> >
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> > > of trust in the app (or potentially in the app developer).
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> >
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> > > 2. A mechanism for signing an app to verify that the app actually contains
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> >
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> > > the content that was reviewed.
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> >
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> > > 3. Use of a minimum CSP policy for all pages of an app to ensure only the
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> >
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> > > reviewed code runs.
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> >
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> > > 4. A separate data jar for local data to ensure a compromised web site can
> 
> >
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> > > not write to the local data of an app to alter the way it behaves.
> 
> >
> 
> > > 5. A separate origin for the resources of an app so that the app can not 
> > > be
> 
> >
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> > > tricked into running un-reviewed code from the same origin with escalated
> 
> >
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> > > privileges.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Jonas explained that the initial intention was to host trusted apps in the
> 
> >
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> > > same way as non-trusted apps, to retrieve the signatures for reviewed 
> > > files
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> >
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> > > from an app store, but the files themselves directly from the app's own 
> > > web
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> >
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> > > server.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > He explained some problems with this approach:
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> >
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> > > a) HTTPS must be used to ensure proxies don't modify the headers or body 
> > > of
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> >
> 
> > > HTTP responses, invalidating the signature. This would create an overhead
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> >
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> > > for app developers.
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> >
> 
> > > b) If multiple stores host signatures for the same app but review the app
> 
> >
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> > > at different speeds, updating of the app resources and signatures must be
> 
> >
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> > > synchronised between different stores and be limited to the speed of the
> 
> >
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> > > slowest review.
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> >
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> > > c) Signed resources have to be static because if a resource is dynamically
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> >
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> > > generated by a server side script, the signature would also need to be
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> >
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> > > dynamically generated, requiring a private key to be stored on the same
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> >
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> > > server, which largely defeats the object of the signing system.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > It was argued that this would result in a system which, while hosted like
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> >
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> > > the rest of the web, is not very "webby" and is the worst of both worlds.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > This led to the conclusion for us to package up trusted apps and to serve
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> >
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> > > their resources locally over a new app:// protocol.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > My question is what might a hosted solution to this problem look like?
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> >
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> > >
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> >
> 
> > > Ben
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > 1. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.webapps/hnCzm2RcX5o
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> >
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> > > 2. https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI
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> >
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> > > 3. http://www.w3.org/2012/sysapps/
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> >
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> > > 4. https://twitter.com/bfrancis/status/335728228897550336/photo/1
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> >
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> > > 5. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b036zdhg/Click_06_07_2013/
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> >
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