Hi Rob! Sorry about the late reply.
On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:10 AM, Robert Davies <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Johan, > > its great to know that you are earning so much money from Apache ActiveMQ! > > I want the best experience for the end user of ActiveMQ - and that’s it - > simple. Right now that’s hawtio. The old web console is frankly well beyond > love - but I can understand from a money making point of view you wouldn’t > want to have hawtio as an option of end users. Which is why moving it to a > sub-project will allow you and your colleagues to work on it - you’ll > probably get even more money from your customers - or you could just save the > hard work - skin hawtio however you like (Johan’s Console) - and make a mint > yay! You somehow think I need to make more money? I Put that out since both you and I benefit from AMQ creating revenue. > > What ever happens in the community, what ever console we use, if nobody uses > hawtio ever again, if folks went bananas and started using other OS solutions > - I and my “Fuse” (top 10 on [1]). colleagues get payed the same. We don’t > have an interest in this for financial gain, let alone agree on what should > happen - apart from the old web console is something we don’t want to work on > - but when you’ve been fixing crappy bugs in for a while [1] - you may feel > the same way. Besides the buy out bonus you mean? > > When you get a salary/bonus/shares regardless - it enables you to make > decisions that’s best for the users - I don’t think that anyone else (your > colleagues or partner companies) who want so desperately to keep the old > console, have the same objectivity. > > This is funny, not only do you prove you are arrogant and ignorant, you didn't even take the time to check linkedin...... I used to have your position and probably a few levels above. My former title was Manager of Development and Infrastructure. That was in a 8.5Bil company, not some 2bil piece of bullshit. > Just so its all out there - hawtio is open source, is AS2 licence - and the > community is diverse. More than one large company uses it directly in their > products. Where hawtio lives, what direction it takes is entirely down to > the hawtio community - my employer - Red Hat really doesn’t care - hawtio > isn’t at the ASF for other reasons. No they only care about subscriptions, support and revenue sold from that. > > > [1] https://www.ohloh.net/p/activemq/contributors?query=&sort=commits > > > On 30 Jan 2014, at 05:41, Johan Edstrom <[email protected]> wrote: > >> A big -1 that is non binding. >> >> I'm tired of this shit, let us put it all on the table. >> I probably made around 75k USD last year supporting and writing code around >> AMQ. >> If you count the other work I probably made closer to 300k USD, so yes I'm >> really open. >> >> I'm working with or I am surrounded by the people that benefit from what AMQ >> does. >> >> So I'll go on and list the rest of the people here - Just from the last post. >> >> Dejan, +1 - RedHat >> Hiram, +1 - RedHat >> Rob +1 - RedHat, >> Claus +1 RedHat, >> >> I could go on, I could also put their purchase history from Fuse to RedHat, >> inspect AS Server Modules and SwitchYard. >> Then I could ask if there was a monetary gain in Hawt (WTF?) is introduced >> into >> Jiras, emails, mailing lists or whatever the hell else? >> >> So - we have a PMC telling us that not using ASF code but rather RH code is >> good >> - since it is Secure, >> - since it isn't the 90's >> - since it is what the customer wants? >> >> Does anyone actually believe this load of shit? >> >> >> >> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Earls <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Dejan Bosanac <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> -- >>>> Dejan Bosanac >>>> ---------------------- >>>> Red Hat, Inc. >>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >>>> [email protected] >>>> Twitter: @dejanb >>>> Blog: http://sensatic.net >>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:01 AM, James Strachan >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 28 January 2014 15:18, Hiram Chirino <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Since there seems to be general agreement that the web-console should >>>>>> be moved to a sub-project, lets put it to a vote and make it official. >>>>>> >>>>>> [ ] +1 Create the activemq-web-console sub-project with the associated >>>>>> git, wiki, and jira spaces. >>>>>> [ ] -1 Veto the making it a sub-project >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Hiram Chirino >>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >>>>>> [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com >>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >>>>>> blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> James >>>>> ------- >>>>> Red Hat >>>>> >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com >>>>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews >>>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> Open Source Integration >>>>> >>> >> > > Rob Davies > ———————— > Red Hat, Inc > http://hawt.io - #dontcha > Twitter: rajdavies > Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com > ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >
