Hi all,
It seems to me like the core problem here is that there are two distinct
projects operating under one brand and it creates confusion. I agree with JB
that the "ActiveMQ Classic" and "ActiveMQ 5" branding are not ideal. However, I
think that renaming it to ActiveMQ Leto will further dilute the ActiveMQ brand
and create more confusion for users. Why not just "ActiveMQ" and "Artemis"?
Thanks,
Lucas
On 2021-03-18, 6:54 AM, "Jean-Baptiste Onofre" <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
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Hi Justin,
I would rather to ActiveMQ Leto 5.17.0 (and then Leto 6.0 at some point).
Regards
JB
> Le 18 mars 2021 à 14:51, Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org> a écrit :
>
> I'm not clear on the versioning you're proposing. Are you saying that the
> first release of this subproject would be ActiveMQ Leto 1.0?
>
>
> Justin
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 7:46 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Robbie,
>>
>> My point is about "classic". I understand the meaning but I think it’s
not
>> a good "tagging".
>>
>> I don’t want to focus on ActiveMQ 5.x, because it prevents us to use
>> another versioning.
>> Why not ActiveMQ 6.0 that would be a new major ActiveMQ release.
>>
>> To summarize:
>> 1. ActiveMQ 5.x is too restrictive for versioning
>> 2. Classic is not a good "naming/tagging".
>>
>> That’s why I’m proposing a new identified name. It means we would have:
>>
>> - Apache ActiveMQ Artemis
>> - Apache ActiveMQ Leto
>>
>> IMHO, it’s two subprojects under the same "umbrella" (like we have Camel
>> K, Camel Spring Boot, Camel Karaf, or Karaf runtime, Karaf Decanter,
Karaf
>> Cave, etc).
>> Each subproject deserves a clear naming.
>>
>> About the website, you got my point: I would like to get all wiki based
>> resources, update and clean it to push on a dedicated sub context of the
>> website:
>>
>> http://activemq.apache.org/artemis <http://activemq.apache.org/artemis>
>> http://activemq.apache.org/leto <http://activemq.apache.org/leto>
>>
>> Each with its own announcement, download, documentation resources.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>> Le 18 mars 2021 à 12:19, Robbie Gemmell <robbie.gemm...@gmail.com> a
>> écrit :
>>>
>>> The 'classic' terminology on the homepage is used more as a
>>> description rather than a name to me, speaking to its quality and
>>> vintage and in some small straightforward way. ActiveMQ 5 is still the
>>> way the broker is referenced on the site as a whole so far as I see,
>>> rather than ActiveMQ Classic. Essentially everywhere besides the
>>> subdir name being 'classic' in the URL for grouping some of the newest
>>> component pages. I dont think 'Leto' is particularly more useful than
>>> 'classic' as a description, and especially not an improvement for the
>>> subdir in the URL at this point. It would be quite the opposite for me
>>> personally, I think it would be a bad idea.
>>>
>>> Changing the subdir on the site from 'classic' to something else
>>> simplistic and direct such as 5 or 5x or 5.x? Sure, I can see that.
>>> Dropping the "Classic" description suffix from the central box on the
>>> homepage, leaving only the ActiveMQ 5 titling? By all means. Leto? I
>>> dont really see that being an improvement at this point at all.
>>>
>>> On your other proposal of cleaning up mess, presumably that means the
>>> mass of old 5.x wiki-derived pages on the site in the root (done to
>>> preserve URLs during the site changeover I believe, over
>>> individual-page redirects) that are rarely ever touched, and moving
>>> such content into the subdir? Sounds great.
>>>
>>> Robbie
>>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 at 08:30, Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bring on the table the naming of Apache ActiveMQ.
>>>>
>>>> I think "Classic" is not a good name, and it doesn’t mean anything. I
>> think it would make more sense to have a generic name.
>>>>
>>>> As we have Apache ActiveMQ Artemis, I would like to propose Apache
>> ActiveMQ Leto.
>>>>
>>>> From a cultural standpoint ;), Artemis is the Greek goddess of the
>> hunt, the wilderness, wild animals, the Moon, and chastity. Artemis is
the
>> daughter of Zeus and Leto, and the twin sister of Apollo.
>>>> As "ActiveMQ Classic" is "older" than Artemis, I propose to rename as
>> Apache ActiveMQ Leto.
>>>>
>>>> This name change won’t impact the code repository, it’s more for the
>> website.
>>>>
>>>> Related to that proposal, I would like to propose also to create a
>> dedicated space for Leto: http://activemq.apache.org/leto <
>> http://activemq.apache.org/leto> with a complete cleanup of the mess we
>> have today (documentation, download page, announcements, etc).
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>
>>
