Thank you Arjun for the response and your consideration. I appreciate it. If you want to discuss particular concerns in the activemq-cpp code directly, I can be reached via DM on the ASF slack. Or you can email me directly.
I look forward to finding a good outcome for activemq-cpp and C++ access to ActiveMQ messaging. Art On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 11:27 PM Arjun Ray <ara...@gmail.com> wrote: > TOn Thu, 13 Feb 2025 20:29:12 -0700, Arthur Naseef > <artnas...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Hello Art, > > I freely apologize for my sardonic and curmudgeonly style. I come > from the rough and tumble of a bygone age - I'm well into my fourth > decade on the internet, and I'll age myself further by revealing that > I've been on Medicare for several years now... - when people tended to > be much more direct and much less politic than today. I promise to > spend more time and be sure to make an extra style-check pass on > future posts. :-) > > | The vast majority of open source coding is done with company money > | behind it; for example, companies building new tools with the > | intent to later be able to sell support and training. [...] > > I don't doubt this. It explains a lot in the way of directions that > OSS projects tend to take (as opposed to directions that they tend not > to.) It's always a matter of incentives (much more so than the "itch > to code".) > > | On to the specific comments. > > I think you misread them, but I won't argue them point by point, as > the fault is mine - obviously I can't predict how they could have been > received. I take your points in the spirit that they were offered. > > | [...] I haven't seen anyone on this project ever reject any > contributions > | based on them not being Java. Of course, we do need to consider > | maintainability and who is available in the community, so non-Java > | contributions into a community of mostly Java folks will have a natural > | challenge to overcome. > > I wasn't suggesting that. Rather, putting "chase" in quotes was to > make a point about disincentives in the ASF ecosystem. Back in the > second half of the oughties (when I claim ASF was taken over by the > Java folks), C++ itself was in the pre-C++11 wilderness. I think > quite a few simply gave up on the language and switched to Java. > Perhaps cloning Java code in C++ offered opportunities then for > constructive participation, but over time that source of talent dried > up, I think. The state of C++ participation today is, I feel, a long > term consequence. C++ emulation of Java code is a turn-off in general. > > | I personally see an interest to have people with different skill sets > | on board. [...] If I were working with a client using activemq-cpp > | and having problems that needed fixing, I would offer to help with > | it. On the clock, of course. > > | [...] we really could use some solid C++ skills on activemq-cpp, or > | a replacement. > > Right now, maintenance need only amount to making the code base > passable to C++17 compilers. Some extra tweaks to proof the code for > C++20 (e.g. a global SAR of 'throw()' with 'noexcept', as that alias > in C++17 has gone away in C++20) may not come amiss. It's a small ask > overall. > > By contrast, replacement, or serious changes in the internals (e.g. > nuking decaf abd the APR library), is a huge ask. As Justin points > out, that may not be worth the candle to anyone other than those who > would do it for love. > > I've been working on making the code passable in C++17. The large > number of warnings I find disconcerting - and just a couple hours ago, > I discovered that a particular warning actually hides a serious bug > that has been there all along. The "good" news is that it's in the > implementation of decaf::lang::Exception, so it doesn't come up unless > an exception is actually thrown. Fixing it will need some thought, > though. > > > Arjun > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@activemq.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@activemq.apache.org > For further information, visit: https://activemq.apache.org/contact > > >
