Yep. Already did :)

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:22 AM Alex Begg <[email protected]> wrote:

> I wanted to point out that not only did Microsoft add Debian Bullseye
> support for MSSQL today, to do so they did a major version
> upgrade, from msodbcsql17 to msodbcsql18. So in addition to updating the
> URL used to populate mssql-release.list, you also need to change to
> msodbcsql18. I see msodbcsql17 is in multiple places in the Airflow code
> base.
>
> Instructions for installing msodbcsql18 in Debian are here:
>
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/connect/odbc/linux-mac/installing-the-microsoft-odbc-driver-for-sql-server?view=sql-server-ver15#debian18
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 1:32 AM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yeah. That would definitely be a simpler approach for us.
>>
>> What we can also do is we can still make sure that you can actually
>> "build" Buster images if you want and we could run the simple tests we
>> already have for those images (those tests just check very basic stuff
>> - like if expected packages are importable, if Airflow commands work,
>> if you can run airflow as root user etc..
>> This would  be very little to no complication of the CI and we could
>> provide a recipe for the users how to build their own buster image -
>> but without guarantees that everything works there.
>>
>> This way might provide the users with a "workable solution" while we
>> could keep it simple for us and put a strong emphasis on "If you want
>> to get full support - also upgrade to the latest stable OS".
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:53 AM Ash Berlin-Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > My vote is to just move forward and only release Bullseye images for
>> 2.3 onwards
>> >
>> > On 15 February 2022 08:43:50 GMT, Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Good news from today - I got the response from Microsoft and it seems
>> >> that MSSQL Bullseye support is going to be released today :) . So at
>> >> least that problem is going to be solved. Still the question of
>> >> whether we should build/release both Bullseye and Buster ?
>> >>
>> >> J.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:14 PM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>  And Python default images are Bullseye now.
>> >>>
>> >>>  On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:13 PM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Buster end of life is August 2022 of course :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:12 PM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Hello everyone,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  I am just about to complete preparation to make our images (and
>> CI) work on Debian 11 images (Bullseye) vs Debian 10 (Buster). All looks
>> (almost) good, but I would like to tap into the collective wisdom of the
>> group here to decide on next steps (and maybe propose a policy we might be
>> following in the future). The last change that allows to easily switch
>> between the two is in reviee:
>> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/21546
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Context/where we are:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  For quite a while we used Buster (Debian 10) as our base image.
>> Buster is a stable release and it is being replaced with the next stable
>> release Bullseye (Debian 11).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  The Release schedule is here:
>> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  The most important facts from those:
>> >>>>>  * Bullseye was introduced in August 2021 (6 months ago) and has no
>> end-of-life yet
>> >>>>>  * Buster was introduced in July 2019 and its end of life is ~
>> August 2020 (approx. 6 months from now)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Python default images are (as of a few months), However they
>> provide (as usual -buster and -bullseye) specific images.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  The Bullseye switch is really needed to support ARM (M1) images
>> because of https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989604
>> (still unresolved on Buster).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  It seems appropriate to switch to Bullseye now, however there is
>> one problem with it - MSSQL drivers do not yet support Bullseye. I've
>> reached out to the maintainers and await their answer when it might be
>> available:
>> https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/sql-docs/issues/7255#issuecomment-1037097131
>> . This is the last blocker that prevents full switch (failing PR for a full
>> switch is https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/21378). All tests pass
>> except MSSQL.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  But I think we need to proceed, regardless of the timeline and
>> switch to Bullseye.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Question:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  We need to decide on what support we give our users in the images
>> now, in the 2.3.0 release and in the future. We have no policies for that
>> yet, so it might be a good time to decide now. Some of the users might
>> "rely" on the Buster being used by the images as they might have some
>> incompatible libraries (similarly to MSSQL). And I believe we need to
>> support Buster till at least the end of life of it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  This support might be twofold:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  * we can publish in https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/airflow our
>> binary images with Buster and/or Bullseye
>> >>>>>  * we can only publish one of those (and change from Buster to
>> Bullseye for 2.3.0) but users will be able to build their own custom images
>> using our Dockerfile for either of those.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Proposal:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  I think there are multiple reasons why we should support both
>> Bullseye and Buster for the coming 6 months. We might build both images in
>> CI and add a new "matrix" dimension and run most tests on Bullseye but some
>> tests on Buster (specifically MSSQL until Bullseye is supported).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  We can publish both types of images (with -buster, -bullseye
>> suffixes same as Python) but the default image should be changed to
>> Bullseye.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  This will add some complexity (and build overhead) to our CI, but
>> I think it's worth it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Then we could drop support and release the -buster images after it
>> reaches end of life (but we will leave the users possibility of building
>> their own buster images without guarantee that it will work).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  I think this might become our Policy also for the future (6 months
>> before end-of-life we switch by default to the new stable and provide built
>> images until end-of-life).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  WDYT? Does it look like a good proposal?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  J.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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