Thanks Bas
for your questions:

1. It will be for both specific existing run (TaskInstance level) and on
future runs (Task level) so you can place a hold pattern to prevent future
tasks from being executed. My previous comment to this thread explained 2
use cases for this capability and we will add it to the AIP.
2. I don't think we should? I assume it should be the same as for
clear/mark as success/failed but happy to explore this part if we think it
should be a separate permission.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2026 at 12:31 PM Bas Harenslak via dev <
[email protected]> wrote:

> For me +1 for the general idea. The AIP looks well thought out, I
> especially like that it’s not yet another state.
>
> Two notes:
> 1. There’s mention of “a held run”, but this AIP plans for holds on task
> instances only, correct?
> 2. Are we planning for an extra permission for this operation?
>
> Bas
>
> > On 12 Nov 2026, at 11:22, Elad Kalif via dev <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the comments
> >
> > I'd like to address the question of motivation for the task hold (for
> > future runs) as it was raised by Niko, Dheeraj and David and we will
> update
> > the AIP accordingly to reflect it.
> > The need for this capability is not theoretical. It is something that I
> > personally encountered as missing features in my time as Data Engineer
> and
> > I can not express enough how much I wished for this capability.
> >
> > Examples:
> > 1. Gradual Deployment on a dag in production. I as a data engineer own
> the
> > pipeline but I didn't always own the artifact (models: Sagemaker
> > endpoints and others). So while My new branch with new capability to an
> > existing dag is finished and can be merged, the artifact that needs to be
> > invoked sometimes was not, and that was by another person (MLE/DS) on a
> > whole different Git repo/code project. So My changes were made on Github.
> > The PR was not merged because I had to wait for the endpoint to be ready.
> > That was very frustrating and got me sometimes in cases where the
> endpoint
> > was eventually ready but I could not complete the deployment cycle
> > because there was a code freeze/weekend. This feature solves that
> problem.
> > It allows me to deploy my changes to the dag (the new branch in the dag)
> > and place a hold on that branch. That way I finished my work. When the
> > model is ready all I need to do is lift the lock no code deployment is
> > needed on my side. People may argue that I can develop a new dag and put
> it
> > on, but that is not necessarily desirable.
> >
> > 2. A production incident involves a specific part of the pipeline. Some
> > resource is decommissioned or changed and there is a need to hold
> specific
> > parts of the pipeline until outage is completed. That is not just a
> > specific run but all runs until the system stabilizes. Today you can not
> do
> > that. You either turn off the dag as a whole or you just let it run and
> let
> > the tasks related to the outage fail then come back later and rerun them.
> > That is very annoying. I don't want to get failure callbacks.
> >
> > To my understanding, the concerns were not around the implementation
> point
> > of view but more around the motivation. So I hope that at least helps to
> > address that. For implantation I think the key questions, if any, are
> more
> > for a code review phase and not for AIP approval phase. Should be needed
> > during code review we can always decide to extract specific parts for
> later
> > phases. I don't think it will come to it though.
> >
> > Elad
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2026 at 10:59 AM Blain David <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Shivam, Elad,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the proposal and for the demo. I read the AIP and the
> >> comments from Niko and Dheeraj on the wiki. My feedback is below; I
> >> can copy the detailed points to the wiki as inline comments if that
> >> is easier for you.
> >>
> >> Summary: I am in favour of the task instance hold, built the way you
> >> propose (it only blocks the start, it is enforced in the scheduler,
> >> and there is no new state). I would leave the task hold across all
> >> runs out of the first version, and I would rebuild the motivation.
> >>
> >> 1. The Motivation
> >>
> >> The three examples can each be solved today when the Dag is designed
> >> for it:
> >>
> >> - Bad data: validate the data, emit an Asset only when the check
> >>  passes, and let a second Dag do the publishing. When the check
> >>  fails there is no Asset event, the publishing Dag never starts and
> >>  there is nothing to hold. For bad data that the check missed,
> >>  pausing the publishing Dag does the same job.
> >> - Vendor outage: give the external system its own pool and set it to
> >>  0 slots. The task stays in scheduled, its state is untouched and
> >>  everything else runs. That is the behaviour the AIP describes for
> >>  a task hold.
> >> - Wrong run: put a human-in-the-loop task (AIP-90) before the
> >>  irreversible step.
> >>
> >> So these examples read more as an argument for better Dag design
> >> than for a new feature, which is close to what Niko asks in his
> >> first comments.
> >>
> >> What is left is the unplanned case, and I think it is a real one:
> >>
> >> - A Dag you operate but did not write. A platform team on call for
> >>  the Dags of other teams cannot split a Dag or add a pool during an
> >>  incident, because both need a deploy by the owner.
> >> - One run out of many. Pausing a Dag and emptying a pool act on
> >>  every run. Only a task instance hold stops the 09:00 run while the
> >>  10:00 run and a backfill continue.
> >>
> >> I would build the Motivation on these two.
> >>
> >> 2. Scope: task instance hold only
> >>
> >> To your question whether the two scopes are right: I agree with Niko
> >> and Dheeraj to start with the task instance hold. My extra reason is
> >> that the task hold behaves like a 0-slot pool with a reason and an
> >> end time. The AIP sets pools aside in one line; it would help to say
> >> what a task hold adds beyond that.
> >>
> >> 3. A hold cannot be placed before clearing a finished run
> >>
> >> The AIP says a task instance hold ends when its run finishes and
> >> stays ended if the run is cleared. Problems in a run are often
> >> noticed after it has finished. Then I have to clear first and place
> >> the hold second, while the scheduler is already picking up the
> >> cleared tasks. Could clearing take a "hold these tasks" option, or
> >> could a hold placed on a finished run stay dormant until the task is
> >> cleared?
> >>
> >> 4. Attempts that are already queued
> >>
> >> To your other question, whether a hold should only block the start:
> >> yes, but the cost is higher than it looks. Holds are placed during
> >> incidents, which is when the executor backlog is deepest, so most
> >> attempts get through exactly then. Did you consider a third check in
> >> the Execution API, when the worker asks to move the task from queued
> >> to running? It does not depend on the executor, and that endpoint
> >> already answers 409 when the task is not in the state it expects. If
> >> you considered and dropped it, the reason would fit under "Rejected
> >> alternatives".
> >>
> >> 5. Mapped tasks and task loops
> >>
> >> The design sections do not mention mapped tasks. Does a hold on a
> >> mapped task stop the expansion, or does the task expand and the
> >> expanded task instances wait? Does a hold also cover map indexes
> >> created after it was placed?
> >>
> >> The same question decides what a hold does to a task loop (AIP-111,
> >> in 3.4). The AIP lists loops under "Related features" as something
> >> that keeps working, but a loop is the case where it matters most:
> >> every iteration is its own task instance, created through the
> >> mapped-task expansion and started in order by the scheduler. So:
> >>
> >> - A hold on a task inside a loop covers all its iterations. The loop
> >>  then stops before the next pass and the passes that already ran
> >>  are kept. Is that the intended behaviour? Holding one given
> >>  iteration would need the hold per map index that is listed as
> >>  future work.
> >> - Can the synthesized gate task and completion node be held? Holding
> >>  the gate is a way to stop a loop after the current pass.
> >> - Clearing an iteration re-opens the iterations after it. Does a
> >>  hold that was placed before the clear still apply to them?
> >>
> >> I think this is a good use case for the task instance hold: stopping
> >> a refinement loop between two passes to look at the result, without
> >> a human-in-the-loop step planned in the Dag. It would fit in the
> >> Motivation.
> >>
> >> Task iteration (AIP-104) and task steps (AIP-112) are the simple
> >> cases and one line each is enough: the items and the steps run
> >> inside one task instance on the worker, so a hold blocks the start
> >> of the whole task and never acts between items or steps.
> >>
> >> 6. Expiry
> >>
> >> A hold can expire at its end time, and the expiry gets an audit log
> >> entry. Which component ends the hold and writes that entry, and how
> >> is it written once when several schedulers run?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
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> >> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2026 01:54
> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> >> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> >> Subject: [DISCUSS] AIP-128: Task/TaskInstance Hold
> >>
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> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Elad and I would like to start the discussion on AIP-128, which
> >> proposes introducing task holds in Airflow.
> >>
> >> Users sometimes need one task to wait while unrelated work
> >> continues—for example, while correcting bad data or waiting for a
> >> vendor API to recover. A hold lets them prevent that task from
> >> starting without pausing the whole Dag.
> >>
> >> AIP:
> >>
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> >> <
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/AIRFLOW/pages/462815942/AIP-128+Task+TaskInstance+Hold
> >>>
> >>
> >> Demo (1.5 min):
> >>
> >>
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> >> <
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/462815942/task-holds-demo-short.mp4?api=v2
> >>>
> >>
> >> The proposal supports two kinds of hold:
> >>
> >> - Task instance hold: one task in one run, for example publish_report
> >> in today's run while bad data is fixed.
> >> - Task hold: one task in every run, for example while a vendor API is
> >> unavailable.
> >>
> >> The scheduler checks holds before picking tasks to start. An attempt
> >> it has already picked may still run. A hold doesn't change the task's
> >> state; other state changes, such as upstream failure, happen as usual.
> >> Once all holds end, normal scheduling can continue.
> >>
> >> Every hold has a reason, an optional end time and an audit log entry.
> >> We have a working prototype, shown in the video.
> >>
> >> The AIP explains the key design decisions and their trade-offs. We'd
> >> particularly welcome feedback on whether a hold should only block a
> >> task's start, and whether the two proposed scopes are sufficient for a
> >> first version.
> >>
> >> Please comment on the AIP doc, or reply here.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Shivam
> >>
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