Hi David, thank you.  I can only apologise for not engaging earlier.
I, and I think others, didn't appreciate the impact of the changes
until recently.

Regards, Graham.

On 1 February 2012 10:46, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> wrote:
> Can't we simply do something in aries until that would be shared by
> all aries modules (since they kinda all depend on it already) ?
> A very small api that could be configured to either use slf4j, jul or
> osgi logging ?  Using optional imports, it should limit to what's
> available and default to a good one, falling back to jul if nothing
> else.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:26, David Bosschaert
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On 1 February 2012 09:58, Graham Charters <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> Prior to these changes, Apache Aries had the ability to filter logging
>>> per class, and this was consistent across all Aries modules.
>>
>> Well apparently not because the Aries JMX component used the
>> LogService already...
>>
>>> I don't
>>> think we should be doing piecemeal infrastructure dependency changes
>>> like these without a proper consideration.
>>
>> Well, you can see at the beginning of this thread (Jan 16) that I'm
>> asking for opinions re removing to the LogService and that the
>> responses where positive...
>>
>>> Although nobody really wants to have a logging conversation, I don't
>>> think we can avoid one, and until then, I think we need to go back to
>>> the consistent approach that, until now, Aries consumers seemed happy
>>> with.
>>
>> ... sigh ... ok we'll have a logging discussion and I'll revert those
>> changes for the moment.
>>
>> @David J: we can explore the capabilities of the log service in that 
>> discussion.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>
>
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