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On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 23:38 Antoine Pitrou <anto...@python.org> wrote:
>
> Sound good enough to me.
>
>
> Le 10/06/2021 à 23:35, Wes McKinney a écrit :
> > I hate to reopen this can of worms again, but here is my effort to
> > synthesize feedback:
> >
> > "Apache Arrow is a multi-language toolbox for accelerated data
> > interchange and in-memory processing."
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:37 PM Dominik Moritz <domor...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I thought there were some good suggestions in this thread. @Wes, did you
> >> find a description you liked?
> >>
> >> On May 18, 2021 at 06:24:47, Adam Hooper <a...@adamhooper.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Poll question: why did you choose Arrow?
> >>>
> >>> Personally: I researched Arrow because it's a spec for IPC. (My
> requirement
> >>> was: "wrap computations in a separate process.") I chose Arrow for its
> >>> community and ecosystem -- in other words, because my peers chose it.
> >>>
> >>> I happen to use the compute kernel and Parquet capabilities every day;
> but
> >>> they did not sway me at all. I would choose Arrow if it were nothing
> but
> >>> this spec and this community. (I chose HTML, after all.)
> >>>
> >>> I see the *code* as one enormous proof that the *spec* is good, and as
> a
> >>> collection of examples and best practices.
> >>>
> >>> ... so a great pitch to me would be: "Apache Arrow is a data format and
> >>> toolbox for efficient in-memory processing."
> >>>
> >>> Enjoy life,
> >>> Adam
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:38 AM Aldrin <akmon...@ucsc.edu.invalid>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Apache Arrow is a data processing library that also provides a
> uniform,
> >>>
> >>> efficient interface for data systems."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This probably still isn't quite right, I imagine the bit about "for
> data
> >>>
> >>> systems" needs some addition (maybe "for transport between data
> systems")?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My primary motivators:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - "A data processing library":
> >>>
> >>> - Arrow provides many language bindings, but ultimately they're
> all
> >>>
> >>> part of the same "library ecosystem", which I think is fine to
> >>>
> >>> capture in
> >>>
> >>> "library"
> >>>
> >>> - A main goal of arrow is for processing to be fast, whatever
> that
> >>>
> >>> processing may be
> >>>
> >>> - "uniform, efficient interface for data systems":
> >>>
> >>> - Arrow, provides (or tries to) a cohesive ("uniform")
> interface for
> >>>
> >>> data processing (although it has several APIs to do this)
> >>>
> >>> - Also, IMO, a motivation for arrow was a format and library to
> >>>
> >>> facilitate processing, but that provided functions and
> >>>
> >>> interfaces to easily
> >>>
> >>> translate into optimized data formats used by disparate data
> systems
> >>>
> >>> (cassandra, hadoop, etc.).
> >>>
> >>> - Arrow tries to be transparently zero-copy, which is part of
> the
> >>>
> >>> interface for efficiency
> >>>
> >>> - Arrow certainly has a data format, but that format is the crux
> of the
> >>>
> >>> interface (IMO). However, it also makes using other formats easy
> (via
> >>>
> >>> filesystem API and parquet reader/writers, etc.). So, focusing on
> the
> >>>
> >>> data
> >>>
> >>> format seems unnecessary in such a terse description.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Aldrin Montana
> >>>
> >>> Computer Science PhD Student
> >>>
> >>> UC Santa Cruz
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 5:07 PM Weston Pace <weston.p...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I'd avoid the word "structured" as it is somewhat ill-defined.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:37 PM Mauricio Vargas
> >>>
> >>>> <mauri...@ursacomputing.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> more marketed:
> >>>
> >>>>> How about: "Apache Arrow is a format and language-agnostic library
> >>>
> >>>> focused
> >>>
> >>>>> on efficient sharing and processing of structured data."
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:25 PM Micah Kornfield <
> emkornfi...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> How about: "Apache Arrow is a collection of specifications, cross
> >>>
> >>>> language
> >>>
> >>>>>> libraries and applications focused on efficient sharing and
> >>>
> >>> processing
> >>>
> >>>> of
> >>>
> >>>>>> structured data."
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 3:06 PM Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:58 PM Weston Pace <weston.p...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> “Apache Arrow is a format and compute kernel for in-memory
> >>>
> >>> data”
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> I like this but no one ever knows what "in-memory" means (or they
> >>>
> >>>> just
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> think 'data is always in memory'). How about...
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> "Apache Arrow is a format and compute kernel for zero-copy
> >>>
> >>>> processing
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> and sharing of data."
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> or...
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> "Apache Arrow is a format and compute kernel for processing and
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> sharing data without serialization overhead."
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> A few issues with this:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> * Multiple PL aspect unclear (is a single piece of software, or
> >>>
> >>>>>>> multiple pieces of software?)
> >>>
> >>>>>>> * Development platform aspect unclear
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> I see that some people don't like the word "platform". Some people
> >>>
> >>>>>>> come to this project and want to find an end-to-end application,
> >>>
> >>>>>>> rather than a developer toolkit that they can use to build
> >>>
> >>>>>>> applications. Perhaps we should be more explicit and use
> >>>
> >>>>>>> "computational development toolkit" instead of "platform".
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Although marshalling[1] would probably be a more precise word it
> >>>
> >>> is
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> not as well known.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshalling_(computer_science)
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 9:36 AM Mauricio Vargas
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> <mauri...@ursacomputing.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> a few ideas
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> github.com/apache/arrow - Apache Arrow is an efficient library
> >>>
> >>>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>> big data
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> processing and sharing
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> github.com/apache/arrow - Apache Arrow is a computational tool
> >>>
> >>>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> processing, storing and sharing large datasets
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> github.com/apache/arrow - Apache Arrow is a fast and simple
> >>>
> >>>> library
> >>>
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> big data analytics
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> *github.com/apache/arrow <http://github.com/apache/arrow> -
> >>>
> >>>> Apache
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Arrow is
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> a powerful workhorse for analytic operations on modern
> >>>
> >>> hardware*
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 3:13 PM Julian Hyde <
> >>>
> >>>> jhyde.apa...@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Alright, well, whatever it is, it must fit into one breath.
> >>>
> >>> If
> >>>
> >>>> the
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> high-concept pitch is successful, people will stick around
> >>>
> >>> for
> >>>
> >>>> the
> >>>
> >>>>>>> full
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> pitch.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Words such as “platform” and “enable” are noise. You say
> >>>
> >>>>>> “platform”,
> >>>
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> start to say “what exactly do you mean by platform”, the
> >>>
> >>>> elevator
> >>>
> >>>>>>> doors
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> open, and they’re gone.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> “Apache Arrow is a format and compute kernel for in-memory
> >>>
> >>>> data”
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Eduardo Ponce <
> >>>
> >>>> edponc...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> One more suggestion for the bucket:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Apache Arrow is a computational platform for efficient
> >>>
> >>>> in-memory
> >>>
> >>>>>>> data
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> representation and processing."
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 2:49 PM Wes McKinney <
> >>>
> >>>>>> wesmck...@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think less is better in the description, but
> >>>
> >>>> unfortunately the
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> association of Arrow as being "just a data format" has
> >>>
> >>> been
> >>>
> >>>>>>> actively
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> harmful in some ways to community growth. We have a data
> >>>
> >>>> format,
> >>>
> >>>>>>> yes,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but we are also creating a computational platform to go
> >>>
> >>>>>>> hand-in-hand
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with the data format to make it easier to build fast
> >>>
> >>>>>> applications
> >>>
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> use the data format. So the description needs to capture
> >>>
> >>>> both of
> >>>
> >>>>>>> these
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ideas.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:15 PM Julian Hyde <
> >>>
> >>>>>>> jhyde.apa...@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the “cross-language development platform
> >>>
> >>> for”
> >>>
> >>>> is
> >>>
> >>>>>>> noise.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (I’m sure that JPEG developers think that JPEG is a
> >>>
> >>>>>>> “cross-language
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> development platform” too. But it isn’t. It is an image
> >>>
> >>>> format.)
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Apache Arrow is data format for efficient in-memory
> >>>
> >>>>>> processing.”
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll note that In marketing speak, we are developing a
> >>>
> >>>>>>> high-concept
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> pitch [1] here. Every company needs a name, a brand, a
> >>>
> >>>>>>> high-concept
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> pitch,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and 3- or 4-sentence description. But every Apache project
> >>>
> >>>> needs
> >>>
> >>>>>>> these
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It’s worth spending the time on the description, also, and
> >>>
> >>>> then
> >>>
> >>>>>>> use
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> them in
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> all the places that we describe Arrow.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Julian
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.growthink.com/content/whats-your-high-concept-pitch
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 7:38 AM, Eduardo Ponce <
> >>>
> >>>>>> edponc...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Nate's and Brian's suggestions, but would
> >>>
> >>>> like to
> >>>
> >>>>>>> add
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that we
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can make it a one-liner for more conciseness and
> >>>
> >>>> consistency
> >>>
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache projects.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apologies if it seems I am going around the suggestions
> >>>
> >>>> loop
> >>>
> >>>>>>> again.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Apache Arrow is a cross-language development platform
> >>>
> >>>>>> enabling
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> efficient
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in-memory data processing and transport."
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:11 AM Brian Hulette <
> >>>
> >>>>>>> bhule...@apache.org>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for bringing this up Dominik. I sampled some
> >>>
> >>>> of the
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for other Apache projects I frequent, the ones with a
> >>>
> >>>>>>> meaningful
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> description have a single sentence:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apache/spark - Apache Spark - A unified
> >>>
> >>>> analytics
> >>>
> >>>>>>> engine
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large-scale data processing
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apache/beam - Apache Beam is a unified
> >>>
> >>>>>> programming
> >>>
> >>>>>>> model
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batch and Streaming
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apache/avro - Apache Avro is a data
> >>>
> >>>> serialization
> >>>
> >>>>>>> system
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Several others (Flink, Hadoop, ...) just have "[Mirror
> >>>
> >>>> of]
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Apache
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <name>"
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the description.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for Nate's suggestion "Apache Arrow is a
> >>>
> >>>> cross-language
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> development
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform for in-memory data. It enables systems to
> >>>
> >>>> process
> >>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> transport
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data more efficiently."
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 5:23 AM Wes McKinney <
> >>>
> >>>>>>> wesmck...@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's probably best for description to limit mentions
> >>>
> >>> of
> >>>
> >>>>>>> specific
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features. There are some high level features mentioned
> >>>
> >>>> in
> >>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> description now ("computational libraries and
> >>>
> >>> zero-copy
> >>>
> >>>>>>> streaming
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messaging and interprocess communication"), but now in
> >>>
> >>>> 2021
> >>>
> >>>>>>> since
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project has grown so much, it could leave people with
> >>>
> >>> a
> >>>
> >>>>>>> limited view
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of what they might find here.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:14 AM Mauricio Vargas
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mauri...@ursacomputing.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Apache Arrow is a cross-language development
> >>>
> >>> platform
> >>>
> >>>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> in-memory
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It enables systems to process and transport data
> >>>
> >>>>>> efficiently,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple and fast library for partitioning of large
> >>>
> >>>> tables'?
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry the delay, long election day
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 16, 2021, 2:27 PM Nate Bauernfeind <
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natebauernfe...@deephaven.io>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suggestion: faster -> more efficiently
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Apache Arrow is a cross-language development
> >>>
> >>>> platform for
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in-memory
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data. It enables systems to process and transport
> >>>
> >>> data
> >>>
> >>>>>> more
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efficiently."
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:35 AM Wes McKinney <
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wesmck...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's what there now:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Apache Arrow is a cross-language development
> >>>
> >>>> platform
> >>>
> >>>>>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in-memory
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data. It specifies a standardized
> >>>
> >>>> language-independent
> >>>
> >>>>>>> columnar
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> memory
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format for flat and hierarchical data, organized
> >>>
> >>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>> efficient
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analytic operations on modern hardware. It also
> >>>
> >>>> provides
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computational
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libraries and zero-copy streaming messaging and
> >>>
> >>>>>>> interprocess
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication…"
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about something shorter like
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Apache Arrow is a cross-language development
> >>>
> >>>> platform
> >>>
> >>>>>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in-memory
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data. It enables systems to process and transport
> >>>
> >>>> data
> >>>
> >>>>>>> faster."
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suggestions / refinements from others welcome
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 9:12 PM Dominik Moritz <
> >>>
> >>>>>>> domor...@cmu.edu
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super minor issue but could someone make the
> >>>
> >>>> description
> >>>
> >>>>>>> on
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GitHub
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shorter?
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GitHub puts the description into the title of the
> >>>
> >>>> page
> >>>
> >>>>>>> and makes
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find it in URL autocomplete.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Adam Hooper
> >>> +1-514-882-9694
> >>> http://adamhooper.com
> >>>
>
