It is just "organisation". Framework CVS/Code/whatever is stable now and one of the few pieces we have managed to a decent level of quality. Sure theres plenty of stuff about it that still crap but it works and people respect if for being stable.
Agreed. There is 'crap' in the framework, as much as 'cobol' is crap or AS/400 is 'crap', but remove it without providing a significant (socially and economically) migration path would litterarely make the world collapse.
All of the other stuff you mentioned is not anywhere near that level of quality of framework - so why group them together. What possible advantage is there to pushing bits around? Would it not be more productive to focus on improving the quality of the code?
The real issue is: nothing should ever enter the framework CVS without a previous community design phase aimed to create consensus.
did that phase happen?
after that, nobody should be able to place vetos. avalon is owned by the community, not by individuals.
Everytime some gets an idea to reorganize it seems that a half assed job is done and we go through months of agony to get stable again ... if that ever happens.
I had the same perception but I'm starting to change it given the hard work done by people (not perfect, but everybody has to learn by making mistakes).
I think the real issue is to have gump work right.
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