My experience of commons has been mixed. 

I am not sure why, but I think that once code gets to commons it becomes
less 'supported' by those that wrote and understand it, who tend to
concentrate, understandably, on the major projects, Avalon, Cocoon,
Turbine etc. that they are involved in. Also the volume of mail is huge
and difficult to follow and I think things get lost. 

I also think that it is less of a community than it might be. Here at
Avalon, if one person does not deal with a query, then someone else
tries to help. While this does happen with respect to a few commons
libraries, queries regarding others get totally ignored. ( I have some
unanswered messages from June last year, despite the occasional prompt.
) I may be putting this badly but I think there is less pride felt by
developers about commons than about, say, Avalon or Turbine etc. Here,
you make an effort and put yourself out. If it is commons you don't seem
to. 

Secondly, Avalon is different. Take the logging issues. It has taken a
lot of work to get the message across about the problems with using
commons-logging with IOC. 

If it was written for Avalon keep it here unless there is pressure to
move it. It is easier to maintain here and will be maintained using
Avalon style.

Commons is an excellent idea, I'm not sure it is working though. My
current view would be to keep code here that is used here, but to ask
commons and others to link to it if it could be of interest. 

I think it would be less work to add a few links and a bit of
documentation than to read the commons-dev list, but I can safely say
this as I'm not a committer and can't get roped into maintaining
anything :-)

Just my �0.02 worth.

( But I am a little biased and fed up with no-one at commons even
telling 2 minutes to tell me how bad my ideas are ;-) ) 

Peter

On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 21:25, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> I believe that Event would be better served by the Commons community, and I am
> willing to oversee the migration of this move and ensure it fits nicely with
> the new community.  I have already sent a feeler question to the Jakarta Commons
> community, and they feel that it would make a nice addition.
> 
> I think the other community would be better suited to provide better support for
> the library than this one--especially considering the fact that it is not a core
> art for the Avalon project.
> 
> What does everyone think?
-- 
Peter Courcoux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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