> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> "Thank you, thank you, thank you...  I would like to thank Berin Loritsch
> for
> his marvelous insight of 'The Simplest Thing that can work', and I would
> like
> to .... "

:)

All tongue-in-cheek comments aside, I think Berin has a point and whether it
happens here or at D-Haven or wherever, it is a good idea.  Couple of quick
comments:

 *  I think the 'goal' of Merlin to be very simple, especially for the
users. How close we are to that goal is perhaps another thing.

 *  I would bet that Stephen (and perhaps some of the other developers)
would see OSGi [1] as a competitor to Avalon/Merlin more than PicoContainer,
Jicarilla, Spring and Hivemind.  At least that is the impression I get
seeing the current direction and push.

Can Merlin be a 'Zen Framework'?
Should we jump to Java 1.5?  Now?  Ever?
Can we be scalable enough to compare to both Pico and OSGi?

I'm not sure at the moment, but that's the point of this discussion.

J. Aaron Farr
  SONY ELECTRONICS
  DDP-CIM
  (724) 696-7653

[1] http://www.osgi.org/


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