Hi,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farr, Aaron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Execution
> > =========
> >   1. Merlin becomes a TLP with the help of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   2. Merlin codebase and documentation is moved.
> >   3. Avalon maintain Merlin as a "Related Projects" or similar.
> >   4. Merlin will still depend on Avalon, and will maintain its links.
> >   4. http://avalon.apache.org/merlin and a few others are maintained as
> > redirects.
> >   5. Possibly some other details needs resolution, like which pieces are
> > actually moved, what shall we do with the org.apache.avalon package
> names
> > used in Merlin sub-parts, and will any Merlin committers remain
> committers
> > at Avalon...
> 
> #5 is the tricky part.
> 
> Some things seem obvious to me, like composition and activation should go
> with Merlin.  But what about repository?  It's actually an independent

Put it into depot.

> tool,
> and a rather nice one.  Should it go with Merlin?  Stay in Avalon?  Go to
> the depot group?  And what about meta?  The implementation should probably
> go to Merlin but will we at least have a unified set of meta-tags?  And
> the
> new avalon-logging?  Should it stay in Avalon or move with Merlin?

Avalon

> I'm not saying we have to answer these questions now before we make a
> decision.  I just want to point out that there would be plenty of details
> to
> work out.  The issues are really there regardless of it being Fortress or
> Merlin which is promoted.

Right

> Also, for the sake of everyone's sanity, if this proposal is the one
> accepted, it might make more sense to discuss the details in an IRC
> meeting
> so we could cut down on excessive traffic on the mailing lists.  The real
> time communication would allow things to happen faster too.

+1 to that lets setup another meeting.  This time I USA folks can be late
nighters or something.

> >
> > World Peace and Extinction of All Diseases will follow...
> >
> >
> > What do you all think?
> 
> I'm all for World Peace and Extinction of All Diseases.  Of course that
> would probably hurt the medical professions.
> 
> I think promoting Merlin to a TLP is just as valid an option as promoting
> Fortress/Excalibur to a TLP.  Personally, Merlin seems to make more sense
> since between the two it's a larger project.

What about this crazy idea of 3 TLPs and we dismantle Avalon which
has far too much negativity associated with it.  But this may be too crazy
of an idea.

* Framework - everyone interested in framework will be here 
* Fortress - what was referred to as the cowboys
* Merlin - and the city slickers here

But we can discuss this in the IRC meeting.

> What about Leo's proposal?  What does the Leo Gang of Nine think?

GoN ~= GoF patterns book - *alex chuckles*

Alex



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