> -----Original Message----- > From: Farr, Aaron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 September 2004 19:45 > To: 'Avalon Developers List' > Subject: RE: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On the particular subject to which your remarks are related - your > > example seems to me to off-the mark. There were no incompatible version > > changes. What was happening was a process of the team here recasting the > > identity of Avalon to bring it in line with its developer community. > > That involved reorganization of the web-site and is in part that subject > > that you are addressing above. Another part not so clearly stated is the > > role of the framework as a featured product of the community. > > Stephen, > > Not all developers agreed in the "recasting" let alone the users. Despite > our expressing this concern you have not sought understanding or > compromise.
Leading up to the switch the discussions concerning the site - the discussions that I was aware of do not seem to support you assertion. What I do recall are the comments and options in the following threads: Re: New Avalon site Look in the making. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=108568509400007&r=1&w=4 What is funny in the above thread is that it starts off with Niclas saying "I have been hard at work to implement the new site look proposed by Stephen a week or so ago" but according to you and Stefano the entire credit for the new site belongs to me. It is interesting how history is changed to adapt to the immediate isn't it? But moving on - we discussed (we being the dev community) the finalization of the site. That added requirements concerning versioning of documentation (I think you may even have suggested it). Here is the thread just for reference: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=108730323900002&r=1&w=4 The result of that thread was the addition of version linked javadocs into the magic build systems (and that was even before Stefano went ballistic). Just between you and I - I think the strategy of site versioning needs to go further - but that an action for the future. But let's not forget - Stefano wants to paint me as the bad guy and make me responsible for the changes but in reality that would be so grossly misleading and contradictory to you own comments at the time. See the following link for more details. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=108732362300002&r=1&w=4 As we neared the completion of the site we got into discussions concerning product alignment - specifically the alignment of Avalon brand with specific products we promote. The following thread resulted in a lot of my own content being cut from the main site - I guess we can skip over that because its not really consistent with the argument your making and I definitely don't want to contradict you. Anyway could you or Stefano please provide any evidence that substantiates your respective assertions that I'm basically controlling - and by implication - responsible for everything. Get a life guys - it just in your imaginations. > This is not simply with respect to the site changes alone, but the entire > manner under which the "unified Avalon" campaign has proceeded. You are > hell bent on fashioning Avalon after the manner you see fit regardless of > the concerns of your peers. Aaron - you probably believe this. Stefano probably believes this. Does this make it a reality? If you really do believe this then make the case based on the content here - the public archives - and put the case forward without the protection of private lists. I want to see the evidence. If you can't find the evidence - then drop the case and move on. There are much more interesting things to do. > > > This has to stop. > > > > If you're saying that Avalon cannot change its identity then I guess we > > have a blocker on our hands. If you're saying that I may not critique a > > faulted argument - then we have another blocker. > > Avalon cannot change its identity in the manner in which you have > suggested or proceeded. We changed Avalon. The "we" includes you. You, me, and everyone else here are responsible for what we have created and where we are. Denial will not save you now. > It is indeed a blocker. The options available have been > iterated before: address the issues the Board has with the Metro TLP, > undergo incubation, or investigate a non-ASF hosting solution for Merlin. So long as you and Stefano propagate the falsehood that hat is happening here is the result of a single individual, and so long as the members of the board hold to the notion that punishing myself is the cure, I very much doubt that the board will be able to reach consensus on a position that will benefit our users. So stop thinking about the board and the politics. Start thinking about what is best for the community Cheers, Stephen. > J. Aaron Farr > SONY ELECTRONICS > STP SYSTEMS > (724) 696-7653 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
