> -----Original Message----- > From: Leo Sutic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 November 2004 16:30 > To: Avalon Developers List > Subject: Re: FW: Organizational analysis of ASF codebases > > Steve, > > you're known for responding with extremely verbose emails that few, if > any, understand the point of.
You right - I've written a few longish email in my time. > I think you've outdone yourself now. Nah - that was short - the link my have been longish but the content was interesting and we can hardly make me responsible for the content of the work of someone else (although I really should doubt that if you believe everything you read on the members list). > Five pages of graph theory - proving what? Seriously, what the hell is > this? What it demonstrates in a quasi natural evolution of communities though a process of division. And yet in the case of Avalon - the natural division has been interfered with by a member of the Board of Directors of the Apache Software Foundation that has a stated objective of killing the project. If we contrast the natural progression with the Avalon progression - something is wrong. Why is it that when the community majority wishes to move in a particular direction - one fork of the division is killed? Could it be because of the actions of Stefano following his stated agenda? Could it be a result of the unwillingness of the Chair of the Apache Software Foundation to stand up and stop something that was driven by ignorance of the real facts? Will the Members of the Board of the Apache Software Foundation endorse these actions as part of their role of supporting the community that has contributed in volume to this organization? > If you want to do make a procedural case for the closing of Avalon > being somehow against Apache rules, then make that case. But make it > properly. What rules do you base your argument on? Why do they apply > in this case? On the point of procedure - the Board of Director may choose to close down Avalon. The point of interest concerns their justification for this action. At this time there has been no community decision to do this (just attacks on individual contributors - largely on private list to the benefit of Members). At the level of the PMC there have been no decisions on this point (largely a function of the fact that all the primary committers have left the PMC in disgust or frustration to the continued intervention of Apache Members and hove chosen to continue outside of the foundation). > While you have whined about a lot of things, you have yet to provide a > serious and coherent argument as to why you are right and everybody > else is wrong. There is noting in what I have said that suggests anyone is wrong. I have suggested that Stefano's actions are not necessarily in-line with the stated objectives of the foundation - but that's an issue for the Apache Board of Directors. I have also suggested that Aaron is in a bad position and I've attempted to point out to him that he could easily be pushed into a context where he is be used and the bunny to take the fall. On that point I'm uncomfortable because I was one of the people to nominate Aaron to the job he's now holding - and nothing you can say will remove that fact that Aaron is being screwed good and proper by this organization. > Just hinting around that perhaps, maybe, conceivably, > there might just be something unexplained somewhere, that just maybe, > possibly, might, perhaps be possible to interpreted in a way as to > bolster your argument does not cut it. Stefano - can I quote your protected emails? do any of you you objections if I quote you 'protected' list emails? > We'll listen to reason, not to vague hints. Let's try and close this with at lest a token degree on honesty. Stefano - ball is in your court. Stephen. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
