Hi all, The results yesterday show that V9.2 is perceived as better than V11.2, despite being angled downward. This is, I believe, because the angle of V11.2 hides the underside: this makes the plane look incomplete.
My vote is for V9.2 if changed to fly upward, V3.1 otherwise. Kind regards, Oscar On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 at 21:46, Emma K <emma.a.kel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Thank you for your kind words throughout the process and vote! I wanted to > refrain from jumping in earlier lest I accidentally influenced the initial > vote in any way! > > Just wanted to hop in now and give my thoughts on the suggestions Ryan > received at the Community Over Code conference and Oscar's suggestion of > another possible upwards variant. > > I'll start with Oscar's suggestion first, which also ties into the first > point of advice Ryan received from the marketing and publicity office. If > we'd like to follow ASF's marketing team's intuition that the upward design > of 11.2 is better than the downward design of 9.2 I think that's valid and > makes sense! If this is the case, then I would suggest we use the 11.2 > design rather than the 9.2 design, and I can make some slight adjustments > to the angle of the plane as we see fit. I'll add that I am a little more > hesitant about this approach only because the 11.2 design did not beat out > or tie with the votes of design 9.2 in the first round of voting, and > ultimately I would like the final logo to be something that the community > as a whole loves and agrees upon! > > The next suggestion Ryan received was based on the PT Mono font being a > little strange for the word 'Avro' as the r is the only serifed letter. > This is something I didn't notice before but they are right! I actually > already have five other fonts on the backburner that I tried when I was > drafting the original design versions but I personally liked the PT Mono > font the best so gave that as the only option (which in hindsight might not > have been the best choice). What I can do is once the final icon is chosen > as the winner (either the plane or the pigeon) I can draft up a few more > versions with the alternate font choices and we can decide if one of the > other fonts will work better in the long run. > > Finally, in terms of the last suggestion from the marketing and publicity > office of having the word Avro in the plane's dark blue, I have to > respectfully disagree with this assessment. The area of dark blue in the > plane icons is so small that even at large sizes it would be difficult to > read 'Avro' if it was there, and at small sizes, it would be impossible to > parse. Based on what I was taught when studying graphic design, icons for > logos should be memorable and have the simplest possible design to convey > the desired image. As an example of this, think of Apple's logo, which is a > simplistic apple icon with a chunk missing. I would posit that if Apple > wrote 'Apple' on their icon, it wouldn't be nearly as effective. > > That's my 2¢ anyways! I'm happy to make more adjustments to the fonts and > the angles of the icons as we see fit, and I'm so excited to see which > design will be the final winner in the end! :D > > All my best, > > Emma > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:33 PM Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < > os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > The results are in: with 6 binding votes (all cast within 6 hours), and > no > > non-binding votes, it's a near-tie between V9.2 and V3.1. > > > > These are the votes: > > > > - V9.2: 3 votes > > - V10.2: 1 vote > > - V11.2: 0 votes > > - V3.1: 2 votes (I changed the vote for V6.1, as the V3.1 variant was > > part of the vote) > > > > > > What's next: one week to vote by simple majority between V9.2 and V3.1. > > (given our quick votes last time, it's probably more than enough) > > > > Then, if we choose for V9.2, perhaps Emma can also create a good version > > flying > > slightly upward > > < > > > https://clipart-library.com/newhp/31-316437_transparent-airplane-clipart-paper-airplane-clipart-png-png.png > > > > > instead > > of steeply like V11.2. I think we can leave it up to her good judgement > to > > determine if that's really an improvement. > > > > > > So, which do you like more: the plane V9.2, or the pigeon V3.1? > > > > > > Kind regards, > > Oscar > > > > > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 at 22:54, Ryan Skraba <r...@skraba.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello! I don't want to derail the conversation or vote, but I had the > > > opportunity to attend the marketing and publicity office hours during > the > > > community over Code conference. They had some pretty specific > suggestions > > > (but not requirements of course). I'm on my phone but I just want to > > > capture them here! > > > > > > 1. Plane going up is better than down! > > > 2. PT Mono is peculiar for our specific word because the r has serifs > and > > > the others don't. > > > 3. If we use the arrow, it would look great to have the word Avro in > the > > > plane's dark blue! > > > > > > It was a neat conversation and they said some really nice things about > > the > > > initiative! > > > > > > If we do anything about 2 or 3, we can talk about any adjustments after > > the > > > vote. To be honest, I'm 100% confident with these current logos and > > leaving > > > any changes to Emma's discretion! > > > > > > All my bets Ryan > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 13:08 Ryan Blue <b...@tabular.io> wrote: > > > > > > > My vote is for 10.2. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:02 AM Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < > > > > os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Since the start, I've been a fan of the pigeon. It looks good, and > > it's > > > > > very distinctive. > > > > > > > > > > And it's completely different from any send icon, so it cannot be > > > > conflated > > > > > with a message protocol icon. > > > > > > > > > > My vote is for V3.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > Oscar > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <opw...@apache.org> > > > > > 🌐 https://github.com/opwvhk/ > > > > > > > > > > Op ma 2 okt. 2023 16:47 schreef Ryan Skraba <r...@skraba.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > I can't stop changing my mind, but I'm going to go with V9.2 -- I > > > > > > really like the pigeon too, but I think the paper plane fits too > > > > > > nicely to pass up! > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent work, Emma, and thanks Oscar for calling the vote. I > > think > > > > > > your voting proposal makes sense! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:59 PM Ismaël Mejía <ieme...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > V9.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Fokko I was also not so close to the subject and it is > great > > > to > > > > > > > see the final selection. > > > > > > > It looks so great. Thanks for all the work Emma and everyone! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ismaël > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:23 PM Fokko Driesprong < > > fo...@apache.org> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Oscar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for raising this vote. I wasn't active in the > > conversation > > > > > > > > around the new logo, but I followed it from the sideline. The > > new > > > > > > logos are > > > > > > > > fantastic. Kudos to Emma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really like the pigeon, especially the one with the > envelope! > > > My > > > > > vote > > > > > > > > goes to V6.1 if I can't vote on the alternative version :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Fokko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Op ma 2 okt 2023 om 14:14 schreef Oscar Westra van Holthe - > > Kind > > > < > > > > > > > > os...@westravanholthe.nl>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The past month, there has been new progress on our search > > for a > > > > new > > > > > > logo ( > > > > > > > > > AVRO-3554 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3554 > > >). > > > > > > Thanks to > > > > > > > > > Emma Kellam and the feedback we've all given, we can now > > > proceed > > > > to > > > > > > vote on > > > > > > > > > the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the finalists to choose from (if the image is > > > > unreadable, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > links to the comment where the finalists are announced): > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3554?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17770969#comment-17770969 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, we can vote. Because a logo lasts longer than a > > typical > > > > > > release, > > > > > > > > > the rules deviate from the usual rules > > > > > > > > > <https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the vote lasts 2 weeks > > > > > > > > > - to avoid confusion, please vote with the V... > > ifentifier: > > > > > V9.2, > > > > > > V10.2, > > > > > > > > > V11.2, V3.1 > > > > > > > > > - the winner is the logo with at least two (2) votes > more > > > than > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > runner-up > > > > > > > > > - if there is no clear winner, we'll vote by simple > > majority > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > > > top picks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please vote for your preference! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > Oscar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <opw...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > 🌐 https://github.com/opwvhk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ryan Blue > > > > Tabular > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <os...@westravanholthe.nl> > > > > -- > > Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <os...@westravanholthe.nl> > > >
