Yes, I agree. I will search and read the documentation about retirement and 
come back with a proposition.


> On 5 Dec 2025, at 20:30, Julian Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Bertil. I have signed off.
> 
> I agree that retirement is one option we should be considering. Retirement is 
> not the end of a project, just a change in governance. Let’s start that 
> discussion as soon as possible. I don’t want this still hanging over our 
> heads when the next quarterly report is filed.
> 
> Julian
> 
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Bertil Chapuis <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Julian,
>> 
>> Thank you for the reminder. Apologies, I've been busy and missed the 
>> deadline. I submitted a short report that reflects the limited activity on 
>> the project.
>> 
>> The past few months have confirmed our difficulty in building a sustainable 
>> community with active contributors. I'll start a discussion about the 
>> project's future in January. As we've been struggling to get enough votes 
>> for releases, it may make sense to retire it from the incubator and move it 
>> back to its original organization, where a faster and lighter release 
>> process may help.
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/December2025#baremaps
>> 
>> Thanks a lot for your help,
>> 
>> Bertil Chapuis
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Dec 2025, at 20:52, Julian Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s a day after the submission deadline, and there is no report in the 
>>> wiki. Do we want to submit a report this quarter? If you write something 
>>> within 24 - 48 hours and mail this list, I’ll sign off.
>>> 
>>> Julian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 19, 2025, at 5:00 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear podling,
>>>> 
>>>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>>>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
>>>> prepare your quarterly board report.
>>>> 
>>>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 17 December 2025.
>>>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>>>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
>>>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>>>> submission (Wed, December 03).
>>>> 
>>>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
>>>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>>>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
>>>> meeting.
>>>> 
>>>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
>>>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
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>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> Submitting your Report
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> *   A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
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>>>> *   A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>>>> towards graduation.
>>>> *   Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
>>>> aware of
>>>> *   How has the community developed since the last report
>>>> *   How has the project developed since the last report.
>>>> *   How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>>>> 
>>>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
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