+1 to what Dan said

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 at 21:40 Kenneth Knowles <k...@google.com.invalid> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 11:15, "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > It sounds good to me.
> >
> > Thanks Dan !
> >
> > Regards
> > JB⁣​
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2017, 19:39, at 19:39, Dan Halperin
> <dhalp...@google.com.INVALID>
> > wrote:
> > >Here is my summary of the threads:
> > >
> > >Overwhelming agreement:
> > >
> > >- rename `release` to something more appropriate.
> > >- add `checkstyle` to the default build (it's basically a compile
> > >error)
> > >- add more information to contributor guide
> > >
> > >Reasonable agreement
> > >
> > >- don't update the github instructions to make passing `mvn verify
> > >-P<all
> > >checks>` mandatory. Maybe add a hint that this is a good proxy for what
> > >Jenkins will run.
> > >
> > >Unresolved:
> > >
> > >- whether all checks should be in `mvn verify`
> > >- whether `mvn test` is useful for most workflows
> > >
> > >I'll propose to proceed with the overwhelmingly agreed-upon changes,
> > >and as
> > >we see increasingly many new contributors re-evaluate the remaining
> > >issues.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Dan
> > >
> > >On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > ><j...@nanthrax.net>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1 to at least update the contribution guide and improve the profile
> > >name.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> JB
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 01/24/2017 09:49 PM, Kenneth Knowles wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> My impression is that we don't have consensus on whether all checks
> > >or
> > >>> minimal checks should be the default, or whether we can have both
> > >via `mvn
> > >>> test` and `mvn verify`.
> > >>>
> > >>> But that doesn't prevent us from giving -P release a better name and
> > >>> mentioning it in the dev guide and in some manner in our PR
> > >template.
> > >>>
> > >>> Right now we are living with the combination of the bad aspects -
> > >default
> > >>> is not thorough but not actually fast and a thorough check is
> > >>> undocumented.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 2:22 AM, Ismaël Mejía <ieme...@gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I just wanted to know if we have achieved some consensus about this,
> > >I
> > >>>> just
> > >>>> saw this PR that reminded me about this discussion.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ​https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/1829​
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It is important that we mention the existing profiles (and the
> > >intended
> > >>>> checks) in the contribution guide (e.g. -Prelease (or -Pall-checks
> > >>>> triggers
> > >>>> these validations).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I can add this to the guide if you like once we define the checks
> > >per
> > >>>> stage/profile.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ismaël
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Aviem Zur <aviem...@gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I agree with Dan and Lukasz.
> > >>>>> Developers should not be expected to know beforehand which
> > >specific
> > >>>>> profiles to run.
> > >>>>> The phase specified in the PR instructions (`verify`) should run
> > >all the
> > >>>>> relevant verifications and be the "slower" build, while a
> > >preceding
> > >>>>> lifecycle, such as `test`, should run the "faster" verifications.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Aviem.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 7:57 PM Robert Bradshaw
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> <rober...@google.com.invalid
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:49 AM, Aljoscha Krettek
> > ><aljos...@apache.org>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I also usually prefer "mvn verify" to to the expected thing but
> > >I see
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> quick iteration times are key.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I see
> > >>>>>> https://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> introduction-to-the-lifecycle.html
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>     verify - run any checks on results of integration tests to
> > >ensure
> > >>>>>> quality criteria are met
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Of course our integration tests are long enough that we shouldn't
> > >be
> > >>>>>> putting all of them here, but I too would expect checkstyle.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Perhaps we could introduce a verify-fast or somesuch for fast
> > >(but
> > >>>>>> lower coverage) turnaround time. I would expect "mvn verify test"
> > >to
> > >>>>>> pass before submitting a PR, and would want to run that before
> > >asking
> > >>>>>> others to look at it. I think this should be our criteria (i.e.
> > >what
> > >>>>>> will a new but maven-savvy user run before pushing their code).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> As long as the pre-commit hooks still check everything I'm ok
> > >with
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> making
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> the default a little more lightweight.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The fact that our pre-commit hooks take a long time to run does
> > >change
> > >>>>>> things. Nothing more annoying than seeing that your PR failed 3
> > >hours
> > >>>>>> later because you had some trailing whitespace...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 at 21:49 Lukasz Cwik
> > ><lc...@google.com.invalid>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I was hoping that the default mvn verify would be the slow build
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> and a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> profile could be enabled that would skip checks to make things
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> faster
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> regular contributors. This way a person doesn't need to have
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> detailed
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> knowledge of all our profiles and what they do (typically mvn
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> verify)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> will
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> do the right thing most of the time.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Dan Halperin
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> <dhalp...@google.com.invalid>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Jesse Anderson <
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> je...@smokinghand.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> @dan are you saying that mvn verify isn't doing checkstyle
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> anymore?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> `mvn verify` alone should not be running checkstyle, if
> > >modules
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> are
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> configured correctly.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Some of
> > >>>>>>>>>> the checkstyles are still running for a few modules. Also,
> > >the
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> contribution
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> docs will need to change.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Yes. The PR includes discussion of these other needed changes,
> > >>>>>>>>> unfortunately one PR can't change two repositories.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Please continue the discussion on the PR, then I will
> > >summarize it
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> back
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> into the dev thread.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>> Dan
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> They say to run mvn verify before commits.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:25 AM Dan Halperin
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> <dhalp...@google.com.invalid
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Several folks seem to have been confused after BEAM-246,
> > >where
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> we
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> moved
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> "slow things" into the release profile. I've started a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> discussion
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/1740 to see if there are
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> things
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> we
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> can
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> do to fill these gaps.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Would love folks to chime in with opinions.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dan
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Jesse Anderson <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> je...@smokinghand.com>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> @Eugene, yes that failed on the checkstyle.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:27 PM Eugene Kirpichov
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <kirpic...@google.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Try just -Prelease.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:21 PM Jesse Anderson <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> je...@smokinghand.com
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fails because I don't have a secret key.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:03 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> j...@nanthrax.net
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jesse,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you try the same with:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn verify -Prelease,apache-release
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/04/2017 09:53 PM, Jesse Anderson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For some reason, running "mvn verify" isn't running
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checkstyle
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> on
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> everything. I had checkstyle errors in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beam-sdks-java-core
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> weren't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being found.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought this was due to the extra parameters. I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reran
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> plain
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "mvn
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verify" and it still didn't find them. From the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> it
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> doesn't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> look
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they're being run at all.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesse
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbono...@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >> --
> > >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > >> jbono...@apache.org
> > >> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > >> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > >>
> >
>

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