Echoing what JB and Reuven said, we absolutely must provide maven central artifacts for Java users, just as we provide pypi artifacts for Python users.
I see Maven as still a viable tool for single-module Java builds, especially considering its rich plugin ecosystem. On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:27 PM, Reuven Lax <re...@google.com.invalid> wrote: > I think that's a very good point. No matter what build system we use for > our own personal development, we still need to release Maven artifacts and > releases as we need to support our users using Maven. > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > wrote: > > > Generally speaking, it's interesting to evaluate alternatives, especially > > Gradle. My point is also to keep Maven artifacts and "releases" as most > of > > our users will use Maven. > > For incremental build, afair, there's some enhancements on Maven but I > > have to take a look. > > > > Regards > > JB > > > > On Oct 31, 2017, 07:22, at 07:22, Eugene Kirpichov > > <kirpic...@google.com.INVALID> wrote: > > >Hi! > > > > > >Many of these points sound valid, but AFAICT Maven doesn't really do > > >incremental builds [1]. The best it can do is, it seems, recompile only > > >changed files, but Java compilation is a tiny part of the overall > > >build. > > > > > >Almost all time is taken by other plugins, such as unit testing or > > >findbugs > > >- and Maven does not seem to currently support features such as "do not > > >rerun unit tests of a module if the code didn't change". > > > > > >The fact that the surefire plugin has existed for >11 years (version > > >2.0 > > >was released in 2006) and still doesn't have this feature makes me > > >think > > >that it's unlikely to be supported in the next few years either. > > > > > >I suspect most PRs affect a very small number of modules, so I think > > >the > > >performance advantage of a build system truly supporting incremental > > >builds > > >may be so overwhelming as to trump many other factors. Of course, we'd > > >need > > >to prototype and have hard numbers in hand to discuss this with more > > >substance. > > > > > >[1] > > >https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8918165/does-maven- > > support-incremental-builds > > > > > >On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:57 PM Romain Manni-Bucau > > ><rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > >wrote: > > > > > >> Hi > > >> > > >> Even if not a commiter or even PMC, I'd like to mention a few points > > >from > > >> an external eye: > > >> > > >> - Maven stays the most common build tool and easier one for any user. > > >It > > >> means it is the best one to hope contributions IMHO. > > >> - Maven has incremental support but if there is any blocker the > > >community > > >> is probably ready to enhance it (has been done for compiler plugin > > >for > > >> instance) > > >> - Gradle hides issues easily with its daemon so a build without > > >daemon is > > >> needed > > >> - Gradle doesnt isolate plugins well enough so ensure your planned > > >plugins > > >> doesnt conflict > > >> - Only Maven is correctly supported in mainstream and OS/free IDE > > >> > > >> This is the reasons why I think Maven is better - not even entering > > >into > > >> the ASF points. > > >> > > >> Now Maven is not perfect but some quick enhancements can be done: > > >> > > >> - A fast build profile can be created > > >> - Takari scheduler can be used yo enhance the parallel build > > >> - Scripts can be provided to build a subpart of the project > > >> - A beam extension can surely be done to optimize or compute the > > >reactors > > >> more easily based on module names > > >> > > >> Romain > > >> > > >> Le 31 oct. 2017 06:42, "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <j...@nanthrax.net> a > > >écrit : > > >> > > >> -0 > > >> > > >> For the following reasons reasons: > > >> - maven is a Apache project and we can have support/improvement > > >> - I don't see how another build tool would speed up the build by > > >itself > > >> - Apache default release process is based on Maven > > >> > > >> On the other hand, Gradle could be interesting. Anyway it's something > > >to > > >> evaluate. > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> JB > > >> > > >> > > >> On Oct 30, 2017, 18:46, at 18:46, Ted Yu <yuzhih...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >I agree with Ben's comment. > > >> > > > >> >Recently I have been using gradle in another Apache project and > > >found > > >> >it > > >> >interesting. > > >> > > > >> >Cheers > > >> > > >
