Hi all, I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications work now.
Thanks, On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote: > You are probably right and it is an access issue. > > Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if notifications > work after that. > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> wrote: > >> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the notifications >> not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was due to not >> having sufficient access to the spreadsheet? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote: >> >>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the >>> sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e. >>> proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this >>> thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some >>> reason for a few of us including myself. >>> >>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could the >>> proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a specific >>> component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that. And then >>> we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options as >>> written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s). >>> >>> Ahmet >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <rober...@google.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the >>>> functionality that we need: >>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588 >>>> > >>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the >>>> spreadsheet. >>>> > >>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be? >>>> >>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A week? >>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member >>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve >>>> before it goes out on an official channel. >>>> >>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum number >>>> of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)? >>>> >>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most. >>>> >>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how it >>>> goes. >>>> >>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <k...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that >>>> works as well. >>>> >> >>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using >>>> Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when, >>>> it could be helpful to have the added structure. >>>> >> >>>> >> Kenn >>>> >> >>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that >>>> will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as >>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thomas >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be >>>> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would >>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and >>>> JIRAs). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy < >>>> aizha...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone >>>> can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC >>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine? >>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let >>>> me know. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>>> Aizhamal >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> +1 >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is >>>> something to review? >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <k...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy >>>> to start with the following arrangement: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public), >>>> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news >>>> >>>>>>> - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with >>>> enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of >>>> course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Kenn >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy < >>>> aizha...@google.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks, >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets >>>> [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. >>>> Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in >>>> the next few days. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members >>>> to participate by proposing tweets / retweets. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see >>>> if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the >>>> processes. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets >>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747 >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles < >>>> k...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work! >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy < >>>> aizha...@google.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set >>>> up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a >>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend! >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles < >>>> k...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has >>>> to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the >>>> stakes for code and website changes. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who >>>> are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under >>>> their own name. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels < >>>> m...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal, >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be >>>> more prominent on >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list >>>> but I don't >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to >>>> approve the >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam >>>> community >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, >>>> communication channel, >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)? >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like >>>> function even for >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)? >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed >>>> some time ago (in >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made >>>> it terribly far: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality). >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke < >>>> rob...@frantil.com >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:rob...@frantil.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > +1 >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > As a twitter user, I like this idea. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <aizha...@google.com <mailto:aizha...@google.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Hello everyone, >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > What does the community think of making Apache >>>> Beam’s social >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > media presence more active and more community >>>> driven? >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam >>>> offer pretty nice >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > support, but we still could utilize Twitter & >>>> LinkedIn better to >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > share more interesting Beam news. For example, >>>> we could tweet to >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > welcome new committers, announce new features >>>> consistently, >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > share and recognize contributions, promote >>>> events and meetups, >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > share other news that are relevant to Beam, big >>>> data, etc. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I understand that PMC members may not have time >>>> to do curation, >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > moderation and creation of content; so I was >>>> wondering if we >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > could create a spreadsheet where community >>>> members could propose >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to >>>> filter, >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC >>>> member for publication. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I would love to help where I can in this regard. >>>> I’ve had some >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > experience doing social media elsewhere in the >>>> past. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Best >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Aizhamal >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>
