Thanks Ahmet. I will check them out soon.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 6:24 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:

> I forgot to add the link, [1] was meant to be :
> https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.11.html#faster-cpython
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:17 AM Anand Inguva <ananding...@google.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes Ahmet. That would be great.
>>
>> There are some load tests defined in the
>> https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/.test-infra which could be
>> useful for performance testing of Beam between 3.10 and 3.11. Do you
>> suggest any other tests?
>>
>
> I have not looked at the full list. I do not think we will see much in IO
> bound pipelines, or pipelines that do most of their work with a C extension
> library already. Maybe some of the load tests like pardo load tests?
>
> If feasible, we could convert benchmarks to run on 3.11 and see which ones
> will see a larger improvement.
>
> Also apparently there is a potential regression of using up to 20% more
> memory (
> https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.11.html#will-cpython-3-11-use-more-memory).
> I wonder if that will negatively impact us. If feasible, it would be useful
> to understand that as well.
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 8:04 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, this is great!
>>>
>>> Python 3.11 announcement had a claim about performance [1]:
>>>
>>> "CPython 3.11 is an average of 25% faster than CPython 3.10 as measured
>>> with the pyperformance benchmark suite, when compiled with GCC on Ubuntu
>>> Linux. Depending on your workload, the overall speedup could be 10-60%."
>>>
>>> Have we measured this in Beam? Are we seeing any benefits? If not, why?
>>> If yes, this would be a cool blog post as well.
>>>
>>> Ahmet
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 1:12 PM Anand Inguva via dev <dev@beam.apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Python 3.11 support has been merged at
>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/26121 targeting Beam 2.47.0
>>>> release.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Anand
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 6:04 PM Valentyn Tymofieiev <
>>>> valen...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot Anand. I'll take a look at the PRs.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 1:56 PM Anand Inguva <ananding...@google.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was able to spin up a PR: https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/24599
>>>>>> that updates the build dependencies of Apache Beam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Several GCP dependencies needed to be updated as well. I covered them
>>>>>> in the PR: https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/24599
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 3:29 PM Anand Inguva <ananding...@google.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, we may need to update all of them
>>>>>>> <https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/sdks/python/build-requirements.txt#L28-L33>.
>>>>>>> I can add more information once I dig into the issue(most likely next
>>>>>>> week). I will comment on my findings on the issue:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/issues/24569 and will periodically
>>>>>>> update this thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 5:47 PM Valentyn Tymofieiev <
>>>>>>> valen...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 2:35 PM Anand Inguva <ananding...@google.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is related to protobuf only. But I think the update of
>>>>>>>>> these dependencies are required for Python 3.11 since the newer 
>>>>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>>>> have support for Python 3.11 wheels.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Assuming you refer to protobuf. Yes, there are no wheels for 3.10
>>>>>>>> for protobuf==3.x.x and that can cause friction.
>>>>>>>> https://pypi.org/project/protobuf/3.20.3/#files
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would probably narrow the problem further to demonstrate which
>>>>>>>> stubs are not being generated, and if reason not obvious we can also 
>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>> for feedback from protobuf maintainers. Also - do we by chance need to
>>>>>>>> update some other deps from
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/sdks/python/build-requirements.txt#L28-L33
>>>>>>>> for this to work?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also: tracking issue for protobuf4 support in Beam:
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/issues/24569.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we use older versions of these packages, then we have to depend
>>>>>>>>> on installing those packages on Python 3.11 from source distributions 
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> is not desired.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am working parallely on that issue in a different PR
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/24599 but I think this issue
>>>>>>>>> should be a blocker for Python 3.11 update.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 5:25 PM Valentyn Tymofieiev <
>>>>>>>>> valen...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anand,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 1:35 PM Anand Inguva via dev <
>>>>>>>>>> dev@beam.apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We are planning to work on adding support for Python 3.11[1] to
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Beam Python SDK.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As part of this effort, we are going to update the python build
>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies defined at [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Right now, there is an error with the newer version of
>>>>>>>>>>> protobuf(4.21.11). It is not generating _urn files.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It can be reproduced by
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. python setup.py sdist
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. pip install dist/apache-beam-x.xx.x.dev0.tar.gz
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. switch to python interpreter and run import apache_beam as
>>>>>>>>>>> beam
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the error you are describing is related to protobuf 4, so
>>>>>>>>>> the repro should focus on the portion where generation of stubs is
>>>>>>>>>> happening. Presumably some stubs are not generated on protobuf 4 + 
>>>>>>>>>> Python
>>>>>>>>>> 3.11?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> will lead to *ImportError: cannot import name
>>>>>>>>>>> 'beam_runner_api_pb2_urns' from 'apache_beam.portability.api'.  
>>>>>>>>>>> *Running
>>>>>>>>>>> `python gen_protos.py` to forcefully generate files didn't help 
>>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you have encountered this error and found a resolution,
>>>>>>>>>>> please let me know(that would be super helpful).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to work on this soon. Please let me know if you want
>>>>>>>>>>> to collaborate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Anand Inguva
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *[1] *https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/24721
>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/sdks/python/build-requirements.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

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