On 4/4/06, Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > Or would it have to be approved by a central committee or even OASIS
> > > first?
> >
> > No, because it has little to do with the file format. That said, I am
> > designing it with mapping to/from RDF in mind, which is the likely
> > technology ODF will be using for enhanced metadata support in ODF.  We
> > have tentatively scheduled that for inclusion in an interim release of
> > ODF early next year.
>
> hmm.  but as I understand it a xml-ized version of a .odt document's
> "library" would be saved as part of that document.  Are such add-ons
> permitted under the .odt spec?

Part of the reason to discuss using RDF to offer extended metadata
support in ODF is precisely because it provides a predictable model
for extension. So the idea is tthat by creating this new framework, we
make it easy for domain-specific solutions to be plugged in, without
the ODF TC having to constantly approve every little extension.

I am hoping we can put enough standard structures in places so that
what we add is just modest extensions to that.

> I mainly ask because it seems important that .odt's be openable and
> usable by Koffice & whatever other compatible suites exist.  But perhaps
> this is a misplaced concern.

We're hoping that this framework will solve exactly these sorts of
problems. In fact, if you look at the use case I wrote, it is all
about facilitatiing much better interoperability.

<http://wiki.oasis-open.org/office/Bibliographies_and_Citations>

So I think once we solve all these problems, it ought to be easier for
developers on other projects (like KOffice) to pick up and to ensure
pretty decent interoperability.

> > No, it's not done yet. It seems, however, in our case we can't assume
> > multi-user systems, and the more common case will be single-user.
>
> absolutely.  But if multi-user cases are possible, perhaps that shold be
> worked into the data model?

Yes, I meant to say that.

> what do you think about trying to set some road maps for this?  So that
> for instance if there's a Summer of Code 2006 we can be in a position to
> benefit from it?

Sounds like a great idea.

I'll be out of touch for much of May, so would be happy to try to
finish a draft of the schema before then, and then go from there.

> your rdf looks excellent.  I suppose the trick now would be to translate
> your ruby script into python or some otherl anguage that OOo
> understands, and/or create a schema to translate from rdf to sql. BUt I
> suppose also that the db definition really ought to be finalized
> first...

Yes. I'm playing with Rails to just understand how things would work.
The Python equivalent Django might even work better, since it creates
the tables from the class defintiions.

I have a feeling doing the coding in OOo is quite a bit more difficult!

In any case, the focus is really on expressing the model in SQL.

Bruce

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