On Tuesday 11 July 2006 12:12 pm, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > On Jul 10, 2006, at 9:32 PM, David Wilson wrote: > > I have looked up my style manual - 'The Chicago Manual of Style; 15th > > edition" > > Ugh (sound of sinking in the stomach). > > OK, fair enough. I did just come across this reading through the > documentation for the new op cit. BibTeX package. > > The only way I can imagine to implement this -- and how it is done in > op cite -- is to allow a user to include a "hereafter" tag on the first > citation, and then to have a flag in CSL to have subsequent citations > use that (e.g. you have a choice of one or the other). If we can we should avoid having to pass flags back to > > The problem is: > > 1) the current citation support planned for 1.2 has no support for this > coding > 2) MS's new citation support has no support for it (as near as I can > tell, and assuming we care about interoperability) > > It also means the citation GUI becomes more complex (every feature of > this sort needs to a new GUI option). Would this work? The Add/Edit citation has text input box with these options-
"Custom Short title / Abbreviation (for this citation)" "Custom Short title / Abbreviation (use for all subsequent citations)" (The first option is available in Ibidem. See http://bibliographic.openoffice.org/screenImages/IbidemDescription_html_m729d184e.gif ) No need to bother CiteProc, it just replaces CiteProc's version of the cite string with the one the user added in custom the cote text box for the subsequent citations. The processing of this would be in Writer. Yes it adds an other GUI function, we could put it in an 'Advanced' panel tab so the standard options are not cluttered. Also if the method I propose could work it could be added on at any time ... later. Perhaps there should be book Abbreviation data element as there is for Journals. If the user added a Book Abbreviation for a reference, maybe CiteProc could return that instead of the Short title. That way the user could decide on the default action? Another option - CiteProc returns the Book Abbreviation which is stored in the database and with the reference data as a separate text string along with my suggested list- * In-text citation * Footnote initial citation * Footnote subsequent citation * Endnote initial citation * Endnote subsequent citation * Ibid or 'op cite' text * Book Abbreviation (new) Then the user has the option buttons - "Use Abbreviation instead of Short Title for all subsequent citations y/n" "insert intext or footnote" David > > So how important is this feature, recognizing that we already account > for automatically-footnoted citations, and ibid, as well as > first/subsequent forms? Would you not have been able to do your thesis > without it? > Yes, I but I might have got a negative comment. But would the examiners have marked be down a point or two - I don't know. The use of abbreviations is very common in the humanities when you are constantly referring to a few works, say a book of Shakespeare's plays. Lots of footnotes but also lots of- Our indiscretions sometimes serve us well When our deep plots to pall; (Hamlet, iv, viii) Also, I was told that if I used major authorities frequently I must use the standard abbreviations. So we do need a way of using them. Just a two examples of what I mean from a book I have - ==================== Abbreviations AASS Acta Sanctorum, Paris and Brussels, 1643-. ACOec Acta Conciliorum Oemenicorum, Lipzig and Berlin. 1941-. =================== These are used in text italicised without parentheses David > Bruce > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
