I agree wiith mark that we need to make it easy and individuals in the community need to be comfortable with the transition. I propose a solution at the end o this email.
Heres where we are at: - Realistically, the debate on which is "better" is not going to be very fruitful.... We all know the high-level pros and cons of both Makefile and build.gradle . - Neither is perfect,but > 50% of community parties agree gradle is a step forward. jay +.1 (im netural with a slight lean to gradle) cos, roman, sean, +3 (all are ready to move forward) mark effectively might say is a -1 ************* - But we don't want to leave anyone behind! ********************** But we also need to move fast ! We dont want a schizophrenic or forked community. SO HERE IS MY SUGGESTION: 1) we schedule a meetup, or a screencast - specifically to go through the gradle code - from A to Z - 2) We validate and build all of bigtop, using gradle, during the screencast. NO EXCEPTIONS. That way we are all 100% sure that it works, and we see it in action. 3) After that screen cast, we ensure that we have a unified community which can self-sufficiently administer the gradle based build - as soon as possible. 4) If all parties to (1) agree that they are now ready , we delete the Makefile forever, in a patch which updates the README file with excellent explanation of how the build.gradle works. This is the most rapid way to move the entire community forward in unison and prevent code rot of maintaining duplicate features . Mark, and others, how do you feel about this idea? On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Mark Grover <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for starting this thread, Jay and Cos. > > Here are my thoughts: > Gradle may actually be a better choice for Bigtop. However, in my opinion, > Make should be kept around for a little while to make the transition easy > for the community. > > I would go as far as saying that we shouldn't be deprecating Make right > now. In my opinion, it's best to have a transition period where we all > support both Gradle and Make. During this time, contributors and committers > work (albeit, with a little extra pain) with both and develop their own > opinion on which tool is the best for the project. Some of us may already > have developed such experience by using various tools in the past while > others may have not. The idea is to give all members of the community an > opportunity to make such a decision for themselves and share them with the > community. > And, consequently, the official decision to deprecate a tool from the > project shouldn't happen before this transition period, but after. > > Hope that makes sense. > Mark > > > > On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Sean Mackrory <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I'm not super familiar with Gradle yet, but here are my thoughts: > > > > - It can't be any worse than make. I mean, $$($(1)-deb). I'd much prefer > > debugging a more modern language, and as Cos points out, it's intended > for > > a JVM ecosystem but can do other things when needed. > > - I'd prefer we leave Make around for perhaps one more release just to > > really solidify the Gradle system a bit more. However if we keep it > > deprecated, I see no point in "maintaining" both, meaning that if people > > want to add new features to the build (several JIRAs going on for that > > right now) - there's no need to keep adding that to the Makefile, let's > > just keep the versions and metadata for new projects up to date. I don't > > believe we routinely run into bugs, so I doubt much work will have to be > > put in outside of bigtop.mk. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > I am temporarily putting the [VOTE] thread to halt and instead > starting > > > > [DISCUSS]. Per Jay's: > > > > > > > > BIGTOP-1314 highlights the fact that we now have 2 build systems: > > > Makefile > > > > and build.gradle. And the fact that the Makefile approach is now > > > > deprecated. > > > > > > > > As per Mark's suggestion in that JIRA, the future of Makefile should > be > > > > decided on the mailing list before the next JIRA comes out to further > > > > distance from Make and embrace gradle. > > > > > > > > Should we continue to support the Makefile builder? > > > > > > I'd be more than happy to get rid of it right after we release Bigtop > > 0.8.0 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Roman. > > > > > > -- jay vyas
