Alright, I am falling for it :)
0/ https://twitter.com/ASFbigtop/status/572641141322993664
@*c0sin* <https://twitter.com/c0sin> at this point only @*ASFbigtop*
<https://twitter.com/ASFbigtop> is a choice if you're devops & use
@*puppetlabs* <https://twitter.com/puppetlabs> or #*Chef*
<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chef?src=hash> 2 deploy. @*hortonworks*
<https://twitter.com/hortonworks> @*cloudera*
<https://twitter.com/cloudera> aren't for you
1/ https://twitter.com/ASFbigtop/status/572641141322993664
Yet @*mattbrandwein* <https://twitter.com/mattbrandwein> both
@*cloudera* <https://twitter.com/cloudera> @*hortonworks*
<https://twitter.com/hortonworks> are posing as a big friends of the
project. #*whatsupwiththat*
<https://twitter.com/hashtag/whatsupwiththat?src=hash> ?
2/ https://twitter.com/ASFbigtop/status/567910541009661952
What's really odd @*mattbrandwein* <https://twitter.com/mattbrandwein>
is that @*cloudera* <https://twitter.com/cloudera> (and @*hortonworks*
<https://twitter.com/hortonworks> too) have dropped the contributions to
@*ASFbigtop* <https://twitter.com/ASFbigtop> long time ago.
0/ is factually wrong because:
* It got corrected later on :)
* This general statement is wrong. I see cases where it is better to use
Apache Bigtop when using puppets or chef. I see cases where it is better
to use hortonworks' or cloudera's distributions when using puppet or chef.
1/ is factually wrong because:
* if they are posing as friends, then they are not our friends. However
I do not see any fact to support such claim. But I do see facts that
Cloudera is friendly to Apache Bigtop. See the recent blog posts about
Apache Bigtop from Cloudera. See also the contributions and support from
Cloudera.
2/ is factually wrong because:
* http://bigtop01.cloudera.org:8080/ . Do I need to say more?
* Other members of this community working for Cloudera can probably give
more details if needed
But besides how factual are these tweets, the issues I see with them are:
* They are all factually wrong. But it may be too late in people minds.
* They do not represent the consensus among the PMC or community
* As part of the PMC, I am de facto associated with these tweets. And as
I consider them unprofessional and contrary to the Apache Way, I do not
wish to be associated with them. Unfortunately I do not know what to do
besides publicly denouncing such tweet every time or removing myself
from the project.
* They are shaming contributors. Not only there is nothing wrong with
contributing or not, but nothing positive can come out of it. I also
don't believe shaming contributors is something a member of an Apache
community would do.
* They go against http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html
* This creates a hostile environment for the same contributors/entities
and could scare away potential contributors and users. They have less
incentive to participate and an even more difficult time to justify
participating.
* They do not further Apache Bigtop as a project or a community
* 0/ 1/ and 2/ are mere opinions that should belong to a private tweeter
account and not an ASF branded one
* I do not know the brand/marketing implications of 0/ since it could be
constructed as the ASF making some sort of judgment of the quality of
these products.
Thanks,
Bruno
On 03/08/2015 09:38 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
What I think we'll benefit us all is a subject matter discussion - and not
just an exercise in demagogue. So, if one says he/she believes that fact A was
technically incorrect - it'd be courteous to the rest of the participants to
explain what was the fact A and why it was perceived to be incorrect.
Otherwise how such a statement can be taken into consideration to build a
consensus?
Cos
On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 09:17PM, Bruno Mahé wrote:
Hi Cos,
Let's not distract the discussion by reading too much into that sentence.
It looked to me as if Sean simply listed all the possible cases (you
missed the part about opinion, which is different from affiliation).
If you really insist, I can copy paste the tweets that are not
factual from the private thread that you have already been made
aware of.
However I would rather focus now on driving consensus on some guidelines.
Thanks,
Bruno
Note: Contributors are supposed to not be influenced by their
affiliation on ASF premises. However it does not mean that we cannot
mention them if this is the case.
I am not saying it is the case here and I don't think it is, but I
wanted to clarify this misunderstanding.
On 03/08/2015 08:37 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
Sean,
in the interest of being factual when you say
On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 05:25PM, Sean Mackrory wrote:
represent consensus among the Bigtop PMC. In my view, some of the tweets on
that account have been factually incorrect, overly biased by the author's
own affiliations and opinions, and they are harmful to the community. There
Could you please be more specific what were technical incorrectness or an
expression of affiliation? Affiliations are ispofacto should be irrelevant in
any Apache project. Establishing the factual technical ground would, I am
sure, will help to have a discussion in a more subject matter.
Regards,
Cos
