I can't find that anywhere - link? Subject of the thread? A.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 03:26PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > > What would be an acceptable alternative? "Undignified"? "Disreputable"? > > "Classless"? I can't think of a word that fits better than > > "unprofessional", and nitpicking over our volunteer status just feels > silly. > > You can direct your dissatisfaction to Ross G. who brough this point in the > recent thread on the board@ > > I am just a messenger. > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > I don't want to second-guess people who might be making any sort of > > > judgement > > > about Foundation status. Hence, my -1 stands unless we have a > correction, > > > I've > > > requested. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 04:11PM, Sean Mackrory wrote: > > > > If individuals conduct themselves in a business-like fashion, it > doesn't > > > > make something a business. I don't see how that makes the guidelines > > > > confusing at all. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 03:49PM, Sean Mackrory wrote: > > > > > > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 c (1) : characterized by or conforming to the technical or > ethical > > > > > > standards of a profession (2) : exhibiting a courteous, > > > > > > conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help: businesslike is keywork here. Please see my > > > initial > > > > > comment about volunteering for the project and what it really > means. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Konstantin Boudnik < > c...@apache.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 03:33PM, Sean Mackrory wrote: > > > > > > > > >> but 'professional' always assumes 'getting paid for > produced > > > good > > > > > or > > > > > > > > services' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is not true. It is often used to refer to conducting > one's > > > self > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > dignified, ethical way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Mark Grover < > m...@apache.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I agree with you Cos - we may be splitting hairs > here. I > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > find that usage of professional perfectly fine in the > context > > > being > > > > > > > used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Konstantin Boudnik < > > > > > c...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 03:06PM, Sean Mackrory wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a +1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Cos's suggestions, I believe by "unprofessional" > they > > > are > > > > > > > referring > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > anything contrary to the ethics and conduct associated > > > with a > > > > > > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > > > > See some of the definitions here: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unprofessional. I'm > fine > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > wording > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not to steal the thread, but 'professional' always > assumes > > > > > 'getting > > > > > > > paid > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > produced good or services'. If you aren't paid - it's > your > > > hobby > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > charity. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, ASF isn't a professional association but a 503(c) > > > > > organization. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > > > > > I am splitting the hairs here but when you're dealing > with > > > one of > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > three-letters agencies, you'd better be careful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with or without the suggested changes. Doesn't affect > my +1 > > > > > either > > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Andre Arcilla < > > > > > arci...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1. Thanks. I hope the guidelines will finally put > the > > > > > twitter > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Konstantin Boudnik > < > > > > > > > c...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to offer a couple of corrections to the > > > language, > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > changing > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall semantics: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Never post anything via social media you > wouldn't > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > reported > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > news sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if pretty vague. What if the intention is exactly > to > > > see > > > > > this > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > news > > > > > > > > > > > > > sites? How about something like this instead: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything said in public is fair game for press. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any info published in the social media can be > > > > > > > interpreted to > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > advantage of the project or otherwise. Be > > > thoughtful > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > > > > consequences of the posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Informal voice is OK, unprofessional is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache isn't a professional organization. By > > > definition, > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > participants > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > volunteers (which is reflected in the non-profit > > > status of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Foundation). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, I don't see how "unprofessional" can fit > into > > > this. > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > command of > > > > > > > > > > > > > English isn't so great, so perhaps someone else > would > > > be > > > > > able > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > convey > > > > > > > > > > > > > the proper meaning? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Bigtop does not have "sponsors", events and > > > activities > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > sponsors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This clause is redundant, I believe. This is the > very > > > core > > > > > > > > > > definition of > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASF, > > > > > > > > > > > > > so we don't need to make a clumsy attempt to > reiterate > > > ASF > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > policy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like the rest of it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 contingent that we can address the above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 01:10AM, Bruno MahИ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per discussion on [0] and [1], we seem to have > > > built > > > > > > > consensus > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > need for some Social Media Guidelines as well as > what > > > these > > > > > > > > > > guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email is about voting the adoption of the > > > > > guidelines as > > > > > > > > > > described > > > > > > > > > > > > > on: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=53740308 > > > > > > > > > > > > > - v1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also attach the guidelines below my email > for > > > > > > > convenience > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 : To accept the Social Media Guidelines as > > > currently > > > > > > > described > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > wiki and attached to this email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 : No opinion one way or the other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -1 : To reject the Social Media Guidelines as > > > currently > > > > > > > described > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > wiki and attached to this email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vote shall be open for at least 72 hours and > > > will be > > > > > > > closed > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March 19th at 01:00 PST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruno > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [0] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/bigtop-dev/201503.mbox/%3CCAGC%2B2MuPny%3D6HcO_OMRU-i-T%2BDcE5-5CfGabrWMFM%3DU5P666qQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/bigtop-dev/201503.mbox/%3C550131E4.2090802%40bmahe.net%3E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ====================================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Social Media Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Social+Media+Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This document is a proposal currently under > > > discussion - > > > > > it > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet been accepted by the Bigtop community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original text was taken from Apache > Cloudstack's > > > > > Social > > > > > > > Media > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guidelines: Social Media Guidelines < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Social+Media+Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache Bigtop Social Media Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Apache Bigtop project has a Twitter account > > > > > (@ASFBigtop) > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can use to spread news about the project and > promote > > > the > > > > > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apache Bigtop Social Media Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Social+Media+Guidelines#SocialMediaGuidelines-ApacheCloudStackSocialMediaGuidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Access to Social Media Accounts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Social+Media+Guidelines#SocialMediaGuidelines-AccesstoSocialMediaAccounts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Do's and Don'ts for Social Media > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Social+Media+Guidelines#SocialMediaGuidelines-Do%27sandDon%27tsforSocialMedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access to Social Media Accounts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access to the social media accounts can be > granted > > > to any > > > > > > > > > committer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or PMC member who would like to participate. When > > > > > possible, > > > > > > > > > access > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be through Hootsuite or another tool that > does > > > not > > > > > > > require > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disseminating the login credentials. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do's and Don'ts for Social Media > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before posting anything, you'll want to > familiarize > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache's Media and Analyst Relations < > > > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/press/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > page and brand management page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you're posting from a personal account > > > *about* > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > Bigtop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or posting from one of the official accounts, > there > > > are > > > > > a few > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you want to keep in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * *Anything said in public is fair game for > press.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Never post anything via social media you > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reported on news sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Make sure what you're saying/sharing is > > > appropriate > > > > > for > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > audiences, and reflects well on Apache Bigtop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Be polite when talking about Bigtop and > > > > > responding to > > > > > > > > > > questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Informal voice is OK, unprofessional is > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Absolutely no use of NSFW language, > images, or > > > > > > > scenarios > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using official Apache Bigtop accounts - > and > > > avoid > > > > > > > > > > associating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache Bigtop with anything that is > likely to > > > be > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Share relevant, positive information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Feel free to share stories about Bigtop, > > > whether > > > > > they > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Bigtop community, tech press, or folks > > > > > outside of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > press > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Avoid sharing negative stories about > > > "competing" > > > > > > > projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Keep posts/reposts relevant. Everybody > loves > > > > > LOLCats, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably best not to share them from the > > > official > > > > > > > Bigtop > > > > > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > > > > > > > media accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Please share event information *so long as > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > Bigtop-related*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /e.g./ Promoting an event where there are > > > talks > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > Bigtop is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spot-on. Promoting an event only because a > > > vendor > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interest in Bigtop is participating would > be > > > > > outside > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Bigtop social media accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Be sure information is public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Companies sometimes discuss plans/ideas > > > > > informally at > > > > > > > > > > events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's often a good idea to ask before > sharing > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > social media if it might be considered > > > non-public. > > > > > > > (For > > > > > > > > > > example, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information presented during a talk > should be > > > fair > > > > > > > game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Information shared over dinner may not be > for > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > dissemination.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Bigtop does not have "sponsors", events and > > > activities > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > sponsors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Avoid language like /$foo_company is > > > sponsoring > > > > > the > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bigtop project/. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Companies *can* sponsor events and > > > activities. For > > > > > > > > > example, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /$foo_company is hosting a Bigtop meetup > in > > > > > Atlanta > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > weekend/. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Don't use Apache Bigtop social media accounts > to > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > > > unrelated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * *When in doubt, ask* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o If you're unclear on whether a post or > item > > > is OK, > > > > > > > ask on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project mailing list. The other > contributors > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *always* be happy to discuss and guide > other > > > > > > > contributors > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is and isn't appropriate for our > social > > > media > > > > > > > > > > activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
