On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Julian Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
> The ORC experiment has a control group: Parquet. Parquet is similar to ORC > in many respects. It started at around the same time, but outside Apache, > and later as an incubator project. Today Parquet has achieved more diverse > adoption, and has a more diverse community, than ORC. > The empirical argument of breadth of community and adoption is a strong one. The only downstream consumer of Avatica that I'm aware of is Phoenix. I would like to see at least one other community adopt it. Kylin seems like a strong candidate. Perhaps a Hive Server 3? Would Drill be interested? Are there others? > On Aug 19, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Nick Dimiduk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > IMO, Avatica is still too young to be it's own Incubator. I'm thinking of > > most of the projects I've noticed coming to Incubator in the past, the > > common thread amongst them is production deployments and a largish (5+ > > people) committer base. I think Avatica is still smaller and younger than > > is. Calcite isn't harmed by maintaining Avatica, nor is Avatica "held > back" > > by Calcite. We've seen other TLP's spin out projects (ORC from Hive, > HBase > > from Hadoop, the recent Yetus from Hadoop). Let's allow Avatica to > develop > > (or not) on its own schedule, or until it becomes a in some why burden on > > Calcite. > > > > -n > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Julian Hyde <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I’d like to introduce a meta-discussion into this thread. > >> > >> Calcite’s Avatica module[1] is growing into a separate community. > Calcite > >> depends upon Avatica but not vice versa. At some point I would like to > >> consider splitting Avatica out as a separate project (an incubation > project > >> and ultimately a TLP). There is no particular urgency to this decision. > >> > >> Is now a good time to have that discussion, or is it better to have that > >> discussion after graduation? > >> > >> Julian > >> > >> [1] http://calcite.incubator.apache.org/docs/avatica.html > >> > >>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:03 PM, James Taylor <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> +1 to graduation. I think diversity is increasing and the project is on > >> an > >>> excellent trajectory. > >>> Thanks, > >>> James > >>> > >>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Julian Hyde <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I do commit quite a large proportion of third-party contributions. But > >>>> these days it’s common for others to get involved the discussion when > >>>> there’s a new patch. Pull #106 [1] is typical: Sean provided a patch, > >>>> Vladimir reviewed, I ended up committing. > >>>> > >>>> I’d be delighted if other committers shared the load of committing. > (As > >> I > >>>> said they’re already doing a lot of the reviewing. And committing > their > >> own > >>>> contributions.) > >>>> > >>>> Julian > >>>> > >>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/pull/106 < > >>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/pull/106> > >>>> > >>>>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Jacques Nadeau <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> One random question. I have some sense that the vast majority of > >> commits > >>>>> are still being merged by Julian. (even when the patches are > generated > >> by > >>>>> others). I haven't actually quantified/determined whether this is > true > >>>> but > >>>>> wanted to ask. I don't think this is a showstopper for graduation > but > >> I > >>>>> think we should get that more spread out if it is still the case. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Julian Hyde <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Is Calcite ready to graduate from the incubator and become a TLP > >>>>>> (top-level project)? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> See the policy [1] and guidelines [2]. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Julian > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html < > >>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html < > >>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >
