On Wednesday, May 04, 2011 3:21:54 AM Rob Davies wrote:
> I've corresponded with Hadrian about this off list.
>
> Whilst I understand the sentiment, this policy certainly wasn't clear to me
> or other PMC members. Whilst there are occasional links to external
> information, mainly at FuseSource, these are historical and done in the
> context of providing information to new users and developers whilst we
> growing the Camel community, to be one of the most successful and widely
> used projects at Apache today. This isn't unique to Apache Camel, its a
> methodology we've successfully followed whilst initiating and growing
> ActiveMQ, ServiceMix, Karaf and CXF - to get as much information into
> users hands as early as possible, from whatever source that maybe. Given
> where Camel is today, its absolutely right to have a level playing ground
> - but what I would like to see is that this policy is clearly understood
> by everyone - and not handled in off list conversations.
>
> I would like to propose that from now on all links to 3rd party
> distributions or usages of Apache Camel in a 3rd party product are put
> into (but not limited to) the following 4 categories:
>
> 1. support
I think this should be "Commercial Offerings" and the "Support" page would
list the Camel support (mailing lists, jira, etc...) and then have a paragraph
that says something to the affect of "There are also commercial companies that
can provide training and support for camel" that links off to that page.
> 2. Articles
> 3. Tutorials
Those make sense.
> 4. Tools
I'm -1 on tools. The Tools page should just describe the tools that Camel
provides, if any. Beyond that, another link ("There are commercial tooling
provided by companies...") to the above commercial offerings page.
Dan
> And there is a grace period (till end of June 2011) to move links to
> external information to one of these areas by the authors, else it they
> will be deleted.
>
> Here's my +1
>
> On 3 May 2011, at 16:52, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
> > No, there are things that are not up to the community to decide. I drew
> > attention when some changes were made that that was a mistake and my
> > impression was that the point was well taken. I also mentioned that if
> > changes won't be removed by their authors I will. That was months ago.
> > If anything, I can be blamed for not making these changes earlier.
> >
> > The Apache Camel project has a designated place to inform the users
> > community of commercial offerings [1]. And there are also the articles
> > [2] and tutorials [3] pages that can be used (within reason). Everything
> > else a commercial organization has to say about offerings related to the
> > Apache projects can be done on their site.
> >
> > I hope this clarifies it,
> > Hadrian
> >
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Support
> > [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Articles
> > [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Tutorials
> >
> > On May 3, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> This post is addressed to Hadrian who has been deleting and editing
> >> web pages from Apache Camel (today),
> >> which seems to be related to the fact those pages had information about
> >> Fuse.
> >>
> >> I would like to call out that such actions should have been discussed
> >> in the public at first and agreed upon by the community.
> >>
> >> Most of the information has been there for a long time and its related
> >> and relevant for Apache Camel.
> >> And of use for people who look into what Camel is.
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