On Thursday, July 05, 2012 12:29:48 PM Claus Ibsen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There's a mailing list specific for legal matters, there's no need to > > get > > the board involved with that. > > We should rather look for archives in legal-disc...@apache.org and in > > the > > jira https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL > > and if we can't find anything, raise a JIRA issue there. > > My guts feeling is that is has already been discussed somewhere. > > Yeah it must have. > > Because basically all the existing Apache products that have Maven > Archetypes I have tried, generate source code with *NO* license > headers. > > For example from Karaf, Maven, CXF etc. > > You can just try using mvn archetype:generate, and chose any of the > Apache Project archetypes such as for example: > org.apache.cxf.archetype:cxf-jaxrs-service
Had a similar discussion as part of: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CXF-4375 about removing the license header things. In anycase, I'm +1 to removing the header from the generated code, but -1 to removing them from the initial templates. Dan > > > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Christian Schneider < > > > > ch...@die-schneider.net> wrote: > >> So my proposal is that I organize a statement from the board before our > >> next release and we already remove the license headers. > >> In the worst case I think we have to add a license file to the > >> generated > >> code and in the best case we are fine. > >> > >> Christian > >> > >> Am 04.07.2012 10:30, schrieb Christian Schneider: > >> This is already a good tendency that generated code is unproblematic. > >> To > >> > >>> make sure I propose we get a statement from the board then we are on > >>> the > >>> safe side. > >>> Perhaps this can then also be written down so other projects can > >>> simply > >>> follow. > >>> > >>> Christian > >>> > >>> Am 04.07.2012 10:24, schrieb Rob Davies: > >>>> I think this thread is helpful - its from Eclipse - > >>>> http://www.eclipsezone.com/**eclipse/forums/t116081.html<http://www.e > >>>> clipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t116081.html>>>>> > >>>> On 4 Jul 2012, at 09:19, Christian Schneider wrote: > >>>> My current understanding is that you can not assume you are allowed > >>>> to > >>>> > >>>>> use code if it has no license. Is there an exception for > >>>>> generated/template code? > >>>>> If yes then I am supporting this but we should make sure this works > >>>>> legally. Can we get some confirmation about this from some license > >>>>> specialist from apache or is this written down somehere already? > >>>>> > >>>>> Christian > >>>>> > >>>>> Am 04.07.2012 10:12, schrieb Guillaume Nodet: > >>>>>> Generated code should not be licensed or copyrighted. It's up to > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> user > >>>>>> to decide which license to use. > >>>>>> So +1 for removing any header from generated code. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Hi > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> When end users of Camel uses the Camel Maven Archetypes to create > >>>>>>> new > >>>>>>> projects > >>>>>>> http://camel.apache.org/camel-**maven-archetypes.html<http://camel > >>>>>>> .apache.org/camel-maven-archetypes.html> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Then we generate a new skeleton Maven project for them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Currently these *generated* source files contains ASF license > >>>>>>> headers. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I want to discuss if we should remove these ASF headers from the > >>>>>>> *generated* files. > >>>>>>> Our end users works in organization that build software, and they > >>>>>>> may > >>>>>>> not use any license headers, > >>>>>>> or use their own license headers, or use another kind of header. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think we should not include any license headers at all, and > >>>>>>> leave it > >>>>>>> for the end users to decide for that. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Any thoughts? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Claus Ibsen > >>>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>>> FuseSource > >>>>>>> Email: cib...@fusesource.com > >>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com > >>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus, fusenews > >>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com > >>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Christian Schneider > >>>>> http://www.liquid-reality.de > >>>>> > >>>>> Open Source Architect > >>>>> Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com > >> > >> -- > >> Christian Schneider > >> http://www.liquid-reality.de > >> > >> Open Source Architect > >> Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com > > > > -- > > ------------------------ > > Guillaume Nodet > > ------------------------ > > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------ > > FuseSource, Integration everywhere > > http://fusesource.com -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
