Hi all, I find this conversation very amusing and worrying in the same time. (could someone please hand me some coke and popcorn)
It’s rather queer how Hawt.io is being pushed in three different Apache Projects right now. This leaves me with a rather shallow taste (in German “Geschmäckle”) and those interesting words of a Red Hat partner didn't help any. Though I’m just a little minion and not a Rockstar so please mind my humble opinion. best regards, Achim P.S. sarcasm and irony tags may be placed at will 2013/12/1 Babak Vahdat <babak.vah...@swissonline.ch> > Interestingly I could not find any discussion (or veto) going on by the AMQ > dev forum about replacing the old webconsole with hawtio, strange... > > The only thing I found was the JIRA ticket about this: > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4594 > > Babak > > > Johan Edstrom-2 wrote > > Benjamin, it has been discussed in AMQ as well. > > > > > http://irclogs.dankulp.com/logs/irclogger_log/activemq/?date=2013-11-13,Wed > > > http://irclogs.dankulp.com/logs/irclogger_log/activemq/?date=2013-10-25,Fri > > > > > > On Dec 1, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Benjamin Graf < > > > benjamin.graf@ > > > > wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> BTW why is hawtio a problem for Camel for political reason? It is yet > the > >> official front end for ActiveMQ. Is this seen different in different > >> Apache > >> projects??? > >> > >> Best regards > >> Benjamin > >> > >> On 01.12.2013 17:58, Babak Vahdat wrote: > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> Let me sincerly tell you my personal opinion. To me the vetos both Dan > & > >>> Hadrian have started in this thread has nothing really technical in it > >>> and > >>> is just POLITICAL justifications as Talend representatives. > >>> > >>> Why not let the community benefit from a ASL2 licensed software? > >>> > >>> @Dan in open source community there is nothing ANYBODY should get the > >>> control over because the open source community doesn't need a BOSS as > >>> you > >>> like to be: > >>> > >>> > http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Getting-closer-with-Java7-tp5692627p5713781.html > >>> > >>> If there's any improvement you see just make a pull request like ALL > >>> OTHER > >>> people in the community, SPECIALLY for: > >>> > >>> "links popping up and icons and such that promote something else" > >>> > >>> You did mention about in this thread. BTW where did you exactly spot > >>> those > >>> icons & pop-ups? > >>> > >>> Babak > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > dkulp@ > > > wrote > >>>> On Dec 1, 2013, at 3:46 AM, Rob Davies < > >>>> rajdavies@ > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> dkulp@ > >>>> wrote > >>>>>> Having no way for this PMC to control the display of the Camel route > >>>>>> *IS* > >>>>>> a technical justification. If we as a PMC wanted to remove > columns, > >>>>>> add > >>>>>> new columns for new features, change the order of stuff, etc…. > *WE* > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> no way to do so. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Having no way to change the branding of what is displayed *IS* a > >>>>>> technical > >>>>>> justification. We cannot have links popping up and icons and such > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> promote something else. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Having no way to remove all the “cruft” that is unrelated to Camel > >>>>>> *IS* > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> technical justification. Claus’s screen shot on the wiki has an > >>>>>> AcitveMQ > >>>>>> tab, Wiki tab, etc… which would need to be removed if the goal is > to > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> a Camel route display. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That’s all technical justification. This needs to be removed > until > >>>>>> they > >>>>>> can all be addressed. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Oh… and the maven goal cannot be camel:hawtio. It would need to be > >>>>>> camel:run-webconsole or similar to remove the branding part from > that > >>>>>> as > >>>>>> well. > >>>>> So any 3rd party tool that aids developers, can't be run as a maven > >>>>> target > >>>>> unless its completely branded and controlled by the Camel PMC is the > >>>>> stance > >>>>> you are taking. > >>>> If the maven plugin is part of Camel and it’s stated purpose it to > >>>> present > >>>> *Camel* to the user, then yes. That BETTER be under the PMC’s > >>>> complete > >>>> control and influence. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Daniel Kulp > >>>> dkulp@ > >>>> - http://dankulp.com/blog > >>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> View this message in context: > >>> > http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Re-git-commit-CAMEL-7023-Added-hawtio-goal-to-camel-maven-plugin-tp5744029p5744136.html > >>> Sent from the Camel Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Re-git-commit-CAMEL-7023-Added-hawtio-goal-to-camel-maven-plugin-tp5744029p5744142.html > Sent from the Camel Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer & Project Lead OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home> Commiter & Project Lead blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
