I've been trying to withdraw from the conversation since Friday. -----Original Message----- From: Josh McKenzie [mailto:jmcken...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:56 AM To: dev@cassandra.apache.org Subject: Re: A JIRA proposing a seperate repository for the online documentation
And to be explicit about this: I'm going to withdraw from this conversation now. I don't think we're generating sufficient signal in this dialog compared to the noise. Thanks for the enthusiasm and input Kenneth. On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Josh McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> wrote: > You missed the point ... let them do it their way when it makes no >> difference > > If you're suggesting we use a static markdown based generator as the > "go to" method for content generation and accept PR's for "New > Hotness" (do it their way), then sure, that seems a totally fair > compromise. Pretty sure that's not what you're suggesting, and people > Wild Westing a contribution to a project, that the project then owns > when you get bored of it and move on, doesn't qualify for "makes no > difference". > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Kenneth Brotman < > kenbrot...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > >> You missed the point. If someone can do a good job on something, >> just let them do it their way when it makes no difference. >> Specifically regarding the website, I should be able to submit HTML, >> CSS and JS if I want, others should be able to do it with the static >> generator thing if they want. I could have fixed the website with >> complete version specific pages, with some really good text to fill >> in where there is none now and so on; and done that several different >> ways by now. I'm donating my time too. Please keep that in mind. >> >> Let me ask again, where are the standards? How can you leave the >> website for the project you will be associated with looking that substandard? >> Rahul Singh has been making a very important point that different >> types of uses with different uses cases use the website. This is a >> public website; not an internal site for coders. >> >> Kenneth Brotman >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Josh McKenzie [mailto:jmcken...@apache.org] >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 7:42 AM >> To: dev@cassandra.apache.org >> Subject: Re: A JIRA proposing a seperate repository for the online >> documentation >> >> Wow. Ok, let's try this again. >> >> Josh, you made my point for me. Lower the barriers to entry >> >> Kenneth, I disagree. The C* community is not expressing universal >> interest in having a hand-crafted bespoke website, but many have >> expressed being open to using markdown to create content. Former: >> high barrier to entry *for the community as a whole, not just you.* >> Important distinction. >> >> If someone like me offers to knock out something that's been a >> problem for >> > the group and can do a very professional job, next time get out of >> > the >> way. >> >> It's been a problem because people haven't devoted time to it, not >> because they couldn't figure out markdown. The Apache Way is about >> consensus, not telling people to get out of the way when they don't >> agree with you. >> >> I don't make junk Josh. >> >> Actions speak louder than words and thus far your tone, >> combativeness, and repeated unwillingness to acknowledge what looks >> to be a strong general consensus from your peers is the evidence we have to >> go on. >> >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Kenneth Brotman < >> kenbrot...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >> >> > Josh, you made my point for me. Lower the barriers to entry, not throw >> > extra steps I don’t need at me. If someone like me offers to knock >> > out something that's been a problem for the group and can do a very >> > professional job, next time get out of the way. I don't make junk Josh. >> > Sorry that Apache is not interested in a site with multi-media >> > support; or even sites with complete pages. Show me one quality >> > open source Apache site. Wake up. Raise your bar! Engineers >> > shouldn't speak in the language of mediocrity. >> > >> > Kenneth Brotman >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Josh McKenzie [mailto:jmcken...@apache.org] >> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 5:27 AM >> > To: dev@cassandra.apache.org >> > Subject: Re: A JIRA proposing a seperate repository for the online >> > documentation >> > >> > > >> > > I've been writing html a long time; since about 1990. You're >> > > asking me to learn a weird little program, a static site >> > > generator just to change something I can already do without using a >> > > program at all. >> > >> > You're one person among a community of back-end Java devs. If you >> > want people to contribute to things you need to lower the barriers >> > to entry, not deep-dive into some bespoke thing that may never see >> > the light of day and, when completed, misses the mark on what users >> > of >> cassandra care about: >> > clarity and speed. Also: bus-factor 1 is bad. >> > >> > Another weird thing: Wouldn't we want a website that is dynamic and >> > > multi-media rich? >> > >> > Personally? No. We're talking function here, not form. As an >> > engineer, I don't want to wade through someone else's idea of what >> > "dynamic and multi-media rich" means when I'm trying to find an >> > answer to something or learn something so I can get on with my job. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:12 PM, Nate McCall <zznat...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Kenneth Brotman >> > > <kenbrot...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >> > > > I don't know what we are doing for the website technologies >> > > > right now >> > > because like everything else what we do is not documented anywhere. >> > > Where are the servers: the cloud? What server software are we >> > > running? How is the html, etc. generated and published? How is >> > > search >> > done for the website? >> > > >> > > http://cassandra.apache.org/doc/latest/development/documentation. >> > > htm l The resulting static HTML from Sphinx is hosted on ASF >> > > infrastructure. >> > > >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > --- >> > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org
