> I think there's significant value to the community in trying to coalesce on a single approach, I agree. Unfortunately in this case, the parties with a vested interest and written operators came to the table and couldn't agree to coalesce on a single approach. John Sanda attempted to start an initiative to write a best-of-breed combining choice parts of each operator, but that effort did not gain traction.
Which is where my hypothesis comes from that if there were a clear "better fit" operator to start from we wouldn't be in a deadlock; the correct choice would be obvious. Reasonably so, every engineer that's written something is going to want that something to be used and not thrown away in favor of another something without strong evidence as to why that's the better choice. As far as I know, nobody has made a clear case as to a more compelling place to start in terms of an operator donation the project then collaborates on. There's no mass adoption evidence nor feature enumeration that I know of for any of the approaches anyone's taken, so the discussions remain stalled. On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:18 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith <bened...@apache.org > wrote: > I think there's significant value to the community in trying to coalesce > on a single approach, earlier than later. This is an opportunity to expand > the number of active organisations involved directly in the Apache > Cassandra project, as well as to more quickly expand the project's > functionality into an area we consider urgent and important. I think it > would be a real shame to waste this opportunity. No doubt it will be hard, > as organisations have certain built-in investments in their own approaches. > > I haven't participated in these calls as I do not consider myself to have > the relevant experience and expertise, and have other focuses on the > project. I just wanted to voice a vote in favour of trying to bring the > different organisations together on a single approach if possible. Is there > anything the project can do to help this happen? > > On 23/09/2020, 03:04, "Ben Bromhead" <b...@instaclustr.com> wrote: > > I think there is certainly an appetite to donate and standardise on a > given operator (as mentioned in this thread). > > I personally found the SIG hard to participate in due to time zones and > the synchronous nature of it. > > So while it was a great forum to dive into certain details for a subset of > participants and a worthwhile endeavour, I wouldn't paint it as an accurate > reflection of community intent. > > I don't think that any participants want to continue down the path of "let > a thousand flowers bloom". That's why we are looking towards CasKop (as > well as a number of technical reasons). > > Some of the recorded meetings and outputs can also be found if you are > interested in some primary sources > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/ > Cassandra+Kubernetes+Operator+SIG > . > > From what I understand second-hand from talking to people on the SIG > calls, > > there was a general inability to agree on an existing operator as a > starting point and not much engagement on taking best of breed from the > various to combine them. Seems to leave us in the "let a thousand flowers > bloom" stage of letting operators grow in the ecosystem and seeing which > ones meet the needs of end users before talking about adopting one into the > foundation. > > Great to hear that you folks are joining forces though! Bodes well for C* > users that are wanting to run things on k8s. > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 4:26 AM, Ben Bromhead <b...@instaclustr.com> > wrote: > > For what it's worth, a quick update from me: > > CassKop now has at least two organisations working on it substantially > (Orange and Instaclustr) as well as the numerous other contributors. > > Internally we will also start pointing others towards CasKop once a few > things get merged. While we are not yet sunsetting our operator yet, it > > is > > certainly looking that way. > > I'd love to see the community adopt it as a starting point for working > towards whatever level of functionality is desired. > > Cheers > > Ben > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:37 PM John Sanda <john.sa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:27 PM Josh McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> > wrote: > > There's basically 1 java driver in the C* ecosystem. We have 3? 4? or > > more > > operators in the ecosystem. Has one of them hit a clear supermajority of > adoption that makes it the de facto default and makes sense to pull it > > into > > the project? > > We as a project community were pretty slow to move on building a PoV > > around > > kubernetes so we find ourselves in a situation with a bunch of contenders > for inclusion in the project. It's not clear to me what heuristics we'd > > use > > to gauge which one would be the best fit for inclusion outside letting > community adoption speak. > > --- > Josh McKenzie > > We actually talked a good bit on the SIG call earlier today about > heuristics. We need to document what functionality an operator should > include at level 0, level 1, etc. We did discuss this a good bit during > some of the initial SIG meetings, but I guess it wasn't really a focal > point at the time. I think we should also provide references to existing > operator projects and possibly other related projects. This would benefit > both community users as well as people working on these projects. > > - John > > -- > > Ben Bromhead > > Instaclustr | www.instaclustr.com | @instaclustr > <http://twitter.com/instaclustr> | (650) 284 9692 > > -- > > Ben Bromhead > > Instaclustr | www.instaclustr.com | @instaclustr > <http://twitter.com/instaclustr> | (650) 284 9692 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To > unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org For additional > commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org >
