+100 I support making generate-idea-files auto setup everything in
IntelliJ for you.  If you post a diff, I will test it.

On this proposal, I don’t really have an opinion one way or the other about
what the default is for local "ant jar”, if its slow I will figure out how
to turn it off, if its fast I will leave it on.
I do care that CI runs checks, and complains loudly if something is wrong
such that it is very easy to tell during review.

-Jeremiah

On Jun 29, 2023 at 1:44:09 PM, Josh McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> wrote:

> In accord I added an opt-out for each hook, and will require such here as
> well
>
> On for main branches, off for feature branches seems like it might blanket
> satisfy this concern? Doesn't fix the "--atomic across 5 branches means
> style checks and build on hook across those branches" which isn't ideal. I
> don't think style check failures after push upstream are frequent enough to
> make the cost/benefit there make sense overall are they?
>
> Related to this - I have sonarlint, spotbugs, and checkstyle all running
> inside idea; since pulling those in and tuning the configs a bit I haven't
> run into a single issue w/our checkstyle build target (go figure). Having
> the required style checks reflected realtime inside your work environment
> goes a long way towards making it a more intuitive part of your workflow
> rather than being an annoying last minute block of your ability to progress
> that requires circling back into the code.
>
> From a technical perspective, it looks like adding a reference
> "externalDependencies.xml" to our ide/idea directory which we copied over
> during "generate-idea-files" would be sufficient to get idea to pop up
> prompts to install those extensions if you don't have them when opening the
> project (theory; haven't tested).
>
> We'd need to make sure the configuration for each of those was calibrated
> to our project out of the box of course, but making style considerations a
> first-class citizen in that way seems a more intuitive and human-centered
> approach to all this rather than debating nuance of our command-line
> targets, hooks, and how we present things to people. To Berenguer's point -
> better to have these be completely invisible to people with their workflows
> and Just Work (except for when your IDE scolds you for bad behavior w/build
> errors immediately).
>
> I still think Flags Are Bad. :)
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023, at 1:38 PM, Ekaterina Dimitrova wrote:
>
> Should we just keep a consolidated for all kind of checks no-check flag
> and get rid of the no-checkstyle one?
>
> Trading one for one with Josh :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Ekaterina
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 10:52, Josh McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> I really prefer separate tasks than flags. Flags are not listed in the
> help message like "ant -p" and are not auto-completed in the terminal. That
> makes them almost undiscoverable for newcomers.
>
> Please, no more flags. We are *more* than flaggy enough right now.
>
> Having to dig through build.xml to determine how to change things or do
> things is painful; the more we can avoid this (for oldtimers and newcomers
> alike!) the better.
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023, at 8:34 AM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 13:30, Jacek Lewandowski <
> lewandowski.ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is another target called "build", which retrieves dependencies, and
> then calls "build-project".
>
>
>
> Is it intended to be called by a user ?
>
> If not, please follow the ant style prefixing the target name with an
> underscore (so that it does not appear in the `ant -projecthelp` list).
>
> If possible, I agree with Brandon, `build` is the better name to expose to
> the user.
>
>
>
>

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