> On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Aristedes Maniatis <a...@maniatis.org> wrote:
> 
> On 18/12/2015 6:28pm, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> I was thinking about this design some more.. This isolation between wire 
>> protocol and serialization layer sounds great at some level, but has 
>> significant drawbacks too. It would prevent us from building a truly RESTful 
>> service, as serializer can't manipulate URL, headers or access media type 
>> information. Treating the underlying HTTP as blackbox was the mistake SOAP 
>> made back in the day, which caused its undoing. So I am not sure we want to 
>> go this route. 
> 
> 
> Except that we are building a ROP service, not a restful service. ROP 
> requires the use of a Cayenne QueryMessage object to describe the resources 
> we want to fetch, where REST would describe that as a URL path. That's not 
> what I'm trying to accomplish here since it gives us minimal benefit when the 
> client isn't a web browser.
> 
> Cayenne ROP currently has just two method calls. One to log in and create a 
> session, and one for everything else. All the data (which objects we are 
> getting, updating, etc) are within the serialised data stream itself and not 
> in the URL or headers.
> 
> The only reason I'm wanting to keep http at all is because some nice stuff 
> has been already built on it for us. gzip, keep-alive and SSL are all pretty 
> trivial over HTTP. Other than those, we could just as easily be opening a raw 
> TCP socket and pushing the data over that.

If we are focused narrowly on fixing ROP, then I agree. This is fine and is 
probably a good low-hanging fruit for us to take care of.

If we want to make something better and more widely usable out of it, then my 
concerns come into play. As I personally haven't committed to doing anything in 
this area yet, I don't have any objections to improving ROP per approach 
discussed above either.

Andrus

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