On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:44 PM, Sudha Ponnaganti <sudha.ponnaga...@citrix.com> wrote:
> +1 to move feature freeze date in this case as 4.3 closure has impact on the > next release cycle. There are 14 features targeted for 4.4 and all of them > are in open state as of now. There are only 2 weeks left to close on coding > and developers would rush to check in the code. This only results in poor > quality code. Why the rush ? if it's not done, it's not done and will get in later. Why rush to merge code that you know will have bugs ? > > Thanks > /sudha > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Kinsella [mailto:j...@stratosec.co] > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:22 PM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze > > I don't see not moving the freeze date as a penalty. If a feature doesn't > make the current deadline, it moves to the next release, which is still a few > months away. For significant issues, it's not uncommon for us to allow them > in late. > > What we have a stronger need for than shifting a date, by several orders of > magnitude, is understanding why the RC process took so long and what we can > do in the future to make that not so painful. > > For the record I'm +0 on moving the feature freeze date. > > John > > On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Ram Ganesh <ram.gan...@citrix.com> wrote: > >> I share it too. Many developers in the community went out of their way >> to get a cleaner RC and thereby impacting their feature development >> efforts. We shouldn't be penalizing them with this 2 week's feature >> freeze schedule >> >> Thanks, >> RamG >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] >>> Sent: 27 February 2014 03:00 >>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >>> Subject: RE: 4.4 Feature Freeze >>> >>> Mike I share your opinion most of us have been pretty much on 4.3 >>> until now, and pushing out the release seems reasonable. As I called >>> out in earlier mail the feature proposal date was not called out for >>> 4.4 and as such giving little extra room seems reasonable. >>> >>> Animesh >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mike Tutkowski [mailto:mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:29 AM >>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze >>>> >>>> I think we're having this discussion after every release because >>>> we're beginning to realize that a four-month release cycle has not >>>> been very realistic for us yet. >>>> >>>> The main issue I encounter is our month-long RC cycle where I spend >>>> a bunch of time validating the RC and (during that timeframe) less >>>> time developing for the next release as I had initially planned. >>>> >>>> Perhaps instead of extending the cycle we could consider ways to >>>> actually meet the schedule on a consistent basis. That would be >>>> fine, as >>> well. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Hugo Trippaers <h...@trippaers.nl> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> -1 on postponing the feature freeze. We are having this discussion >>>>> after every release, however we agreed to do a 4 month cycle so >>>>> let's stick >>>> to it. >>>>> >>>>> If there are important features that are currently being developed >>>>> but might not make this cut-off date we should discuss that >>>>> separately, but as a point of principle lets stick to the release >>>>> schedule as >>> proposed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Hugo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 26 feb. 2014, at 15:23, Tracy Phillips >>>>> <tracy.phill...@weberize.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> +1 to Daan. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tracy Phillips >>>>>> Weberize, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Daan Hoogland >>>>>> <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> -1 for postponing the feature freeze. It will amount to more >>>>>>> features in the release. I'd rather shorten the cycle and do more >>>>>>> releases then to pack more bugs in a single go. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Guo Star <ghxand...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014-02-26 20:01 GMT+08:00 Abhinandan Prateek < >>>>>>> abhinandan.prat...@citrix.com >>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 for 4.4 feature freeze on 3/28. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 26/02/14 10:01 am, "Sateesh Chodapuneedi" >>>>>>>>> <sateesh.chodapune...@citrix.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Mike Tutkowski [mailto:mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 26 February 2014 04:46 >>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think this is a good idea, Animesh (to push out feature >>>>>>>>>>> freeze to 3/28). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 to move 4.4 feature freeze date to 3/28. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Sateesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I also agree we should discuss 4+ month development cycles >>> again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi < >>>>>>>>>>> animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will start a separate discussion on 4 month cycle or >>>>>>>>>>>> longer, but wanted to call out one more important date. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We have a last day for feature proposal date which is >>>>>>>>>>>> typically a month before feature freeze date. If following >>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 schedule + 4 >>>>>>> month >>>>>>>>>>>> it would have been 2/14 and we are already past that. Since >>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> announced for >>>>>>>>>>>> 4.4 release yet my suggestion would be to keep feature >>>>>>>>>>>> proposal >>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>> for another week and push all the dates out by 2 weeks to >>>>>>>>>>>> give >>>>>>> folks >>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to finish up their features for new proposals >>>>>>>>>>>> that are >>>>>>> yet >>>>>>>>>>>> to come out. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To be clear that would mean pushing out feature freeze to >>>>>>>>>>>> 3/28 from >>>>>>>>>>>> 3/14 and all the other dates likewise. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> Animesh >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Animesh Chaturvedi >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:05 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: 4.4 Feature Freeze >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With the experience of 4.2 and 4.3 I think we should >>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss if >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> can realistically achieve 4 month cycle our RCs take 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> months. I >>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> going to open up the discussion after 4.3 is shipped though. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Trippie [mailto:trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Hugo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trippaers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:50 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we stick to our 4 month release schedule the feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> four months after the feature freeze of 4.3. The feature >>>>>>> freeze of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 was >>>>>>>>>>>> 8 Nov >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the proposed release schedule for 4.4 would look like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this (dates slightly modified to take efficiency and RM's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>> account ;-) ): >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feature Freeze: March 14, 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Testing/Bug Fixes: March 15, 2014 till April >>>>>>> 18, >>>>>>>>>>> 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (direct access for committers) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stability Fixes only: April 19, 2014 till >>>>>>>>>>>> release (cherry picks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by RM only) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> First RC: May 9, 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optimistic Release Date: May 19, 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hugo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 feb. 2014, at 16:35, Sudha Ponnaganti >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sudha.ponnaga...@citrix.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am also looking for feature freeze dates for 4.4. 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