Daan, > On 24-Apr-2015, at 3:53 pm, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rohit, the issues you mention are not as painful if we release in a > two week schedule as the period of creating a fix to seeing it in a > release will be shorter. Some releases will be broken for some people, > I don't think we can prevent this. The target we are aiming for is to > big to cover it completely.
I agree with you, but I think there are pros and cons to both approaches and for this to work it needs to be able to walk first before it can run. For this to work we need an automated QA system, to solve this Abhi is working on it for past few weeks and will be adding more non-hardware tests (simulator ones) to travis. In my free time, I’m trying to setup a nested virtualized environment where we can test ACS against Xen, KVM and VMware on top on KVM. So far, I’m able to run XenServer 6.2+6.5 and KVM on top of KVM with vmx (intel-vt) enabled, and making some progress with running ESX on KVM (I’m able to run ESX 6.0 on KVM now, but not ESX 5.x which is something I’m exploring). I hope we'll have something working soon that is fairly fast and easy to reproduce. > Your points are valid, though. > .1 a three person release team makes sense. I have been really happy > with the help I got from Pierre-Luc and I think David can do with help > the coming time as well. > .2 Hopefully people won't need to test every release so extensively > anymore as the changes become smaller. (and my initial remark the > above applies as well) By having too many releases we’ll have to deal with too many upgrade path issues and users will spread across different versions which will create an issue for maintainers who are supporting users -- one solution for this problem can be that we introduce a concept of LTS release that is either maintained by the community (which can be difficult) or some interested stakeholders, for users that would prefer upgrading everytime there is a new CloudStack release. > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com> > wrote: >> I think we need to have a faster release management to speed up process in >> general, and for that I propose that we have at least two co-pilots for the >> release manager who would support them with things like reviewing/merging >> patches, creating RC candidates etc whenever necessary. Having only one >> person as a release manager can become a bottleneck for a speedy release. >> >> The other issue is getting people to test a (release) branch, fix bugs and >> expect a review/result in 72 hours. This has usually failed if people are >> busy and not getting enough time for this. As an example, I think 4.5 is >> delayed because it lacked people actively testing it or fixing issues, or >> when issues were found only around the RC testing period which delayed RC >> voting by 1-2 weeks every time that happened. (I’ll post details about where >> I think we are wrt 4.5 in another thread). >> >>> On 17-Apr-2015, at 12:49 am, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com> wrote: >>> >>> Today during the CloudStackdays we did a round table about Release >>> management targeting the next 4.6 releases. >>> >>> >>> Quick bullet point discussions: >>> >>> ideas to change release planning >>> >>> - Plugin contribution is complicated because often a new plugin involve >>> change on the core: >>> - ex: storage plugin involve changes on Hypervisor code >>> - There is an idea of going on a 2 weeks release model which could >>> introduce issue the database schema. >>> - Database schema version should be different then the application >>> version. >>> - There is a will to enforce git workflow in 4.6 and trigger simulator >>> job on PullRequest. >>> - Some people (I'm part of them) are concerned on our current way of >>> supporting and back porting fixes to multiple release (4.3.x, 4.4.x, >>> 4.5.x). But the current level of confidence against latest release is low, >>> so that need to be improved. >>> >>> >>> So, the main messages is that w'd like to improve the release velocity, and >>> release branch stability. so we would like to propose few change in the >>> way we would add code to the 4.6 branch as follow: >>> >>> - All new contribution to 4.6 would be thru Pull Request or merge request, >>> which would trigger a simulator job, ideally only if that pass the PR would >>> be accepted and automatically merged. At this time, I think we pretty much >>> have everything in place to do that. 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