Dear Chris: Yes, I have cced [email protected] on personnel matters. Thanks for the guidance.
Best regards, Jia On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jia, > > When you contact the students, please CC [email protected] > and get in the habit of doing so related to personnel matters. We need > transparency in the communications related to the project so this is a > good opportunity to do so. Also that lets others chime in and help/and > be part of the conversation. > > As for the web page, I am assuming you are talking about: > > http://cmda.incubator.apache.org/ > > Which currently doesn’t have a web page associated with this. We can > easily deal with that - someone from Apache CMDA can easily file an > INFRA ticket here: > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA > > And request that a web presence space be set up. Our options are: > > 1. custom HTML website generated by our own process and simply updated > in SVN. > 2. Apache Content Management System (CMS) > http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html > > We need to decide on #1 or #2 before contacting INFRA. > > HTH! > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Chief Architect > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS) > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > On 7/8/16, 8:50 AM, "Jia Zhang" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Dear Greg: > > > >Oh, good. > > > >That being said, I will notify the previous students that they could > choose > >to request to be moved to "emeritus" status or removed from the PMC, or > >they can choose to stay within the community and continue to contribute. > > > >Meanwhile, who we should contact to update the homepage of the CMDA > >project? We plan to update the homepage to further explain the project > >goals, strategy etc to call for more contribution in the community. > > > >Thanks a lot. > > > >Best regards, > >Jia > > > >On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:41 AM, Greg Reddin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Also, people are almost never removed from a project. Merit never > >> expires even if the person walks away from the project. A person who > >> is no longer involved can ask to be moved to "emeritus" status or > >> removed from the PMC. But it would be at his/her request not a move of > >> the community. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Hi Jia, > >> > > >> > Thanks. Please check out: > >> > > >> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html > >> > > >> > > >> > Also please note discussions of specific personnel should be held > >> > on the [email protected] list. One of the only (few) > >> > things that are private the the ASF. > >> > > >> > Please start with a [DISCUSS] <Person Name> as an Apache CMDA > >> PPMC/committer > >> > > >> > Thread, followed by a [VOTE] <Person Name> as an Apache CMDA > >> PPMC/committer > >> > thread say 48-72 hours after if there are no objections. > >> > > >> > We also can’t bulk remove or add people, we must VOTE them in one > >> > by one, and describe why/based on technical merit, prior background > >> > experience, goodness for the community, etc. > >> > > >> > Again all of this should be on [email protected]. > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Chris > >> > > >> > > >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >> > Chief Architect > >> > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) > >> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >> > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 > >> > Email: [email protected] > >> > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS) > >> > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department > >> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >> > WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/ > >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 7/7/16, 3:39 PM, "Jia Zhang" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >>Dear Chris, Greg, and other Mentors: > >> >> > >> >>The CMDA community had in-depth discussions today on Greg's > instructions > >> on > >> >>how to become a qualified Apache project. For each item specified by > >> Greg, > >> >>we have examined our current workflow and discussed how to adjust > >> >>accordingly. > >> >> > >> >>First thing we would like to do is to organize Apache CMDA > repository, so > >> >>that code can be checked into Apache git directly from committers. > >> >> > >> >>Would you please help let the following people become committer for > >> Apache > >> >>CMDA? Please list them as committers for the project. > >> >>-QiHaoBao (Qihao Bao) > >> >>-holysoul (Runyu Shi) > >> >> > >> >>Meanwhile, please remove the following committers as they are not > part of > >> >>the community any longer. > >> >>-Wei Wang > >> >>-Chris Lee > >> >>-Xing Wei > >> >> > >> >>Thanks a lot. > >> >> > >> >>Best regards, > >> >>Jia > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Second, code is not developed in Apache repositories. Instead it is > >> >>imported in bulk. For CMDA to be a community-driven project code must > >> >>be committed directly to the Apache repo first. If some folks need to > >> >>maintain a fork for their own uses elsewhere, including for student > >> >>projects, that's fine. But individual commits, not bulk commits need > >> >>to be taking place in Apache repos, not external ones. > >> >> > >> >>Third, decisions are not made by the community. They appear to be made > >> >>by a few people separate from the dev list and presented here after > >> >>the fact. We see meeting minutes where things have been decided and > >> >>assignments made. If I want to contribute to the Docker container, how > >> >>can I do that? If I want to contribute to improving the HTML front > >> >>ends how would I go about that? How can someone from the outside of > >> >>your core group help decide what the next step will be and contribute > >> >>code? That's the essence of the Apache Way. > >> >> > >> >>Now, here are some specific things I need to see before I can say the > >> >>project is making progress in the right direction. > >> >> > >> >>1. Code from school projects should be submitted to Apache by the > >> >>author and committed to the Apache repo by a CMDA committer. It can be > >> >>submitted through a Jira attachment, GitHub pull request, etc. > >> >> > >> >>2. Discussion regarding school projects should take place on the CMDA > dev > >> >>list. > >> >> > >> >>3. We must see commits of code to the Apache CMDA repository. These > >> >>are not imports of large blocks of code worked on for a long time, but > >> >>individual changes submitted one at a time directly to the Apache > >> >>project. The Apache repo must be the primary source code repository. > >> >> > >> >>4. Make decisions regarding code and project direction on the CMDA dev > >> >>list. Offlist face-to-face meetings are ok, but no decisions can be > >> >>made, only recommendations. If someone on list offers an alternative > >> >>solution to any of those recommendations it must receive equal weight > >> >>and the community decides collectively how to proceed. > >> >> > >> >>Discussions regarding project direction, features, releases, who's > >> >>working on what, etc. must take place on the CMDA dev list. > >> >> > >> >>Finally, please understand that if the project is not compatible with > >> >>the Apache style of development, it's not a failure. It would not be a > >> >>bad mark on your "resume'." It would simply mean that the project > >> >>relies on some tenets of development that are not driven by the > >> >>community. Perhaps it is better for this project to be presented to > >> >>the community after work is done, as opposed to allowing the community > >> >>broad input as to its direction. If so that's fine. But if you want to > >> >>be at Apache that broad input from the community is an absolute > >> >>requirement. > >> >> > >> >>Please let me know if any clarification of these points is needed. > >> >> > >> >>Thanks, > >> >>Greg > >> >>Jia Zhang > >> >> > >> >>Dear Greg, Thanks a lot for your detailed instructions on Apache > >> >>requirements... > >> >>Jul 6 (1 day ago) > >> >>Mattmann, Chris A (3980) via > >> >><https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en> > >> >>cmda.incubator.apache.org > >> >>Jul 6 (1 day ago) > >> >>to dev > >> >>This is great advice I recommend folks read it carefully. > >> >> > >> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >> >>Chief Architect > >> >>Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) > >> >>NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >> >>Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 > >> >>Email: [email protected] > >> >>WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS) > >> >>Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department > >> >>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >> >>WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/ > >> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>Lee, Seungwon (398K) > >> >> > >> >>Hi, This email describes what Apache way of development should be, and > >> now > >> >>I ... > >> >>Jul 6 (1 day ago) > >> >>Jia Zhang <[email protected]> > >> >>Jul 6 (1 day ago) > >> >>to Seungwon, Lei, Chengxing, Benyang > >> >>Sounds good. Let's discuss tomorrow. > >> >> > >> >>Best regards, > >> >>Jia > >> >>Click here to Reply, Reply to all, or Forward > >> >>Using 42.05 GB > >> >>Manage <https://accounts.google.com/b/0/ManageStorage?hl=en> > >> >>Program Policies > >> >><https://www.gmail.com/intl/en/mail/help/program_policies.html> > >> >>Powered by > >> >>Google > >> >><https://www.google.com/> > >> >>Last account activity: 0 minutes ago > >> >>Details > >> >>People (7) > >> >>Mattmann, Chris A (3980) > >> >> > >> >>Add to circles > >> >>Show details > >> >>Compose: > >> >>Ask to grant Qihao Bao access to Apache repository > >> >>[image: Minimize][image: Pop-out][image: Close] > >> >>[email protected] > >> >>we would like to do is to redirect all code movement to Apache git. > >> >> > >> >>Best regards, > >> >>Jia > >> >
