Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ...
There is friction between the people behind Maven and the people behind Centipede.
This is also the reason, I believe, while Maven integration with Forrest is so weak: the maven community associates, transivitely, forrest with Centipede. So it stays away from it.
This is not the reason, believe me. It's more about Cocoon, how it "sucks", how slow it is, how Jelly rocks, etc etc.
I think we should make an effort to get out of this silly 'impasse' and move on.
[why am I using so many french terms today?]
I'm -1 on Centipede for the following reasons:
1) it would progress the fracture between Maven and Forrest.
As a Forrest developer, I doubt Centipede is the issue for Forrest use by Maven.
2) it would increase the friction, might give the centipede people feelings like "we should be an asf project too, so that the competition is fair",
hehehe we were used by POI, then they stopped... so what?
We have already asked Ant if they wanted us, with no real positive outcome. No problem. We have never thought that not being an Apache project was not fair on Centipede.
"Competition" has always been fair. What has been unfair were the caustic mails, the sneering comments, and the unwilingness to cooperate with Ant and Gump. Exactly like it happened before (remember?) with Turbine, Avalon, etc. Not surprisingly, it's the same place where Maven started.
increase the friction even more, waste some of our energy in incubation, would force us to follow a moving target
I'd call Maven a moving target, and a Maven NG is already in the works.
3) lack of integration with Gump wouldn't hurt since it's going to be painful anyway to integrate gump with our real blocks (centipede nor maven support debian-style virtual modules, AFAIK)>
I know very little about Maven and Centipede, yet I've seen the flames go by. This sucks.
I have my opinion about what sucks...
We care about Forrest, we care about Gump. If Maven does good things but lacks a few, we should use it *exactly* for that: so that we can improve it, build synergies, instead of wasting energies in progressing a competition.
Hahaha, this is funny... NOT.
Maven started exactly because some developers decided *not* to build synergies with Ant and Gump. There is where energies are wasted.
Centipede is *not* in direct competition with Maven. It does different things, it has different objectives. The only thing that makes Maven and Centiepde "compete" is that it's more than Ant, that's all.
These are my two cents, anyway.
Anyway, this is my last comment on this matter. I'll remain with what the community decides.
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