On 26 May 2004, at 11:12, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
On 26 May 2004, at 10:15, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:Some people here are not satisfied with our build system, and advocate Maven. I definately agree with the first part, and am, for technical but also for historical reasons, very much adverse to the second one.Apart from the human factor, about which I learned I couldn't care less anymore,
Actually I still care about who manages the code we depend upon. I though we had learned a lesson with the forked Rhino, JISP, etc...
I understand that concern somehow, although I'm confident that Maven's community is just a tiny bit larger than Jisp, Rhino+cont, Depot, even Forrest for Pete's sake. Not as large as Ant of course, but Ant is roughly 100 years older than Maven, Depot or anything related. Comparing Maven with Rhino+cont or Jisp is hardly a valid argument. Jason is a loud guy, but we shouldn't judge Maven's merits based on that alone. Just as Cocoon's future doesn't have anything to do with the history between you & Jason, IMHO.
I'd love to hear about your specific technical quibbles with Maven.
It uses more memory
+1
it's slower
+1, although maven console is sweeeet
it's not yet released
RC3 seems close enough, and we have personal experience enough working on/with unreleased code, don't we? ;-) We can hardly call Maven "immature" these days.
it does not (yet) work well with Forrest
Documentation shouldn't be a function of the build system (personal pet peeve).
it does not work with Gump
That's a burden indeed.
it's not as stable anb backward compatible both in design and in code as Ant is, it's not as much deployed and known as Ant
Sure.
it does not yet have good IDE integration... etc etc
We'll see how quickly the new Ant + Depot stuff you intend to use will be available inside IDEs.
Sorry to annoy you with my observations, but knowing the "person factor" on this subject, I have difficulties reading you as being impartial. Rather than giving you a blanket "+1" because I trust your technical judgement, I prefer to take a look and compare the maturity and adoption rate of Maven vs Depot.
</Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
