Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
- breaking up the monolitic Cocoon
- getting over the Java jar hell
- making development of Cocoon extensions outside of the
Cocoon project much easier (why there are hardly any Cocoon based
projects out, except Daisy, Lenya, Forrest and two or three others)
- ever tried to run your own project and let's say Forrest
and maybe Lenya in one webapp application? Maybe possible but
I wouldn't want to manage this configuration (and good luck
with the next upgrade of one of them)
Ok, ok, I totally agree that we have to work on these points, no
question. For most of the points above we could provide an improved
build system, e.g. use Maven, and use the new functionalities we already
have in 2.2 and that's it. But that's not my point.
Cocoon has a very high learning curve, so we have to flatten this
learning curve. Users never really understood Avalon; but interestingly
everyone understands Spring - which is the same concepts of Avalon but
done differently (I know, I simplify here a little bit, please, all
Spring lovers forgive me for now!).
I have another opinion on this. Users never understood Avalong because
of it's crappy/not existing documentation. .xconf file format is quite
complex and documented nowhere. You start to get the picture after you
know there is a .roles file somewhere. Most users do not even know one
exists.
Moreover now that Avalon is gone you have no documentation available,
google search points to javadoc long time removed. You'll have luck if
you are determined enough and find excalibur sources.
On the contrary Spring has everything in one place. The documentation is
broad and straightforward.
I tried to find any starters for eclipse's OSGi implementation. Not a
single useful page. If we are to make users read OSGi specification,
then seek for help in external projects that are hardly documented we
get the same problem in a fancy new outfit.
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