On 17 Oct 2006, at 20:05, Arje Cahn wrote:
- Documentation (sorry, Helma). So, it was Stefano's dream to once have a Cocoon CMS and run the Cocoon website with it. I don't think part of this dream was to tuck it away on a hidden location so it will be forgotten forever. How embarissing it is to see Helma working at the GT practically alone on all our docs. This has everything to do with the total invisibility of the documentation website. Let's bring it out into the spotlights. Let's give every committer a login, or better yet, get Daisy to talk to the ASF's authentication server (free advice Belgian guys).
Oh, if anyone would care, here's the documentation to get such a thing started: http://cocoondev.org/daisydocs-1_5/repository/general/ 37.html and here's a sample: http://svn.cocoondev.org/viewsvn/trunk/ daisy/services/ntlm-auth/ Yes, we have pluggable authentication schemes.
You don't need Belgian guys for such little glue jobs, but we would be happy to help anyone with questions. What those Belgian guys however (in)frequently murmured amongst themselves was: why the stupid fixation with SVN as a required content repository for official ASF documentation sites? Why can't cocoon.apache.org simply be a proxy for http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/daisy/documentation/ ?
- The Cocoon Wiki went DEAD as soon as it was moved to Moinmoin. What a sin. It might have been for political reasons, I don't know.
JSPWiki used to be a memory-leaking piece of crap so I was happy when the MoinMoin migration became a possibility. You should have been there when I decided not to wait for Java hosting @ ASF, simply rented a server, and installed JSPWiki under the cocoondev.org domain. Instant success, and instant FUD whether my ambitions with that domain were upto ASF standards. It took me a while to forget that.
I believe the Cocoon Wiki was once the brightest, most innovative and fun place to be if you wanted to get your hands dirty with Cocoon. Whatever happened to the navigation bar we used to have in JSPWiki?? Please! Let's put it back. I don't think I'm the stupidest person on earth, but ever since the Moinmoin Wiki was launched I've NEVER found ANYTHING interesting on it anymore.
While I agree with your sentiments, I can only say that things have grown organically into what they are now. It's what "the community" wanted.
A few weeks ago, I was talking with Jeff Turner, with him suggesting that it would be better to suggest Daisy instead of Confluence for incubating ASF projects who are looking for a website management tool. While I'm sympathetic to the idea (obviously), I'm extremely reluctant to move into such a direction, as my time to support such a thing is limited these days, and the ASF infrastructure peeps are of the more demanding type. It's been suggested before, but I stopped considering and started laughing when one of the prerequisites was to replace our own storage layer with SVN.
Oh well. </Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought Open Source Java & XML stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
