Just chiming in.

Came preinstalled on my mac.  Did you install the dev tools?

No dev tools. Are they only available for Leopard? I'm still on Tiger - and would rather switch to Linux than spending money for Leopard ;)

All versions of Mac OS X (at least from Panther or Tiger) come with dev tools on the installation CD/DVD. Just pop in the installation disk and select the developer tools.

That's probably personal taste. I can do lots of stuff faster with just the keyboard.

LOL the ability to do much more with just the keyboard is one of the strong arguments for me to switch to OS X. ;-)

But not in Eclipse ;) Anyways, I don't want to get started with letters for cursor navigation.

Eclipse, jEdit and many other developer tools are more or less platform independent and therefore by definition not mac-native. Using Windows you're used to having a diversion in keybindings and GUI-interface layout, but Mac apps are much more consistent, so the exception to the rule stands out more prominently. The reason Mac apps are more consistent is the fact that a larger part of the underlying frameworks are available to the developers. This also results in applications that are much smaller.

Huh, I didn't realize people still run such older versions of MacOS.

Tiger? Leopard is only out since 1/2 year, so what ... And I'm not willing to pay for it.

I agree. 'Older versions' should refer to pre-Tiger versions. I truly think some people are on those, but the majority has moved to Tiger or Leopard by now. From what I read Tiger is considered a very stable, very mature version, while Leopard seems to be a kind of 'infant of the new generation'. It does provide new and interesting functionality, but it also introduces problems that will probably be solved in the next updates/versions.

Why a completely separated version after all? I can see the point of a native look&feel, but beyond that ...

It's not a completely separated version. AFAIK it's repackaged to fit in Apple's idea of how to layout the frameworks. At least it's set up in a way that changing versions is really simple. And yes, sometimes it would be better if Apple didn't force their ideas on the users so much.

Bye, Helma

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