Hi all, In regards to Cédric's question about which project should go to the attic and which ones should stay alive, my vote clearly goes to the Cocoon 2.3.x stuff, as it is using mainstream build technology and base container infrastructure, while still containing all of the original cocoon ideas. C3 is nice, but incomplete in comparison to C22.
I think it is worth moving the new C2.3 baseline to github and trying a community restart. WDYT? Gabriel Gesendet von Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 10:55:50 PM To: dev@cocoon.apache.org <dev@cocoon.apache.org> Subject: Re: Now that the release is out, what's next? Well for me, the one thing at has changed since then, is that I've become a maven wizard and a certified spring professional myself. Maven is my primary build tool and spring my primary component framework. Cocoon was just a read ahead of its time then. Now I wouldn't want to touch an Ant build anymore and am happy we left the jakarta/avalon times behind us ;-) Chris Gesendet von Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: insigh...@gmail.com <insigh...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 10:26:05 PM To: dev@cocoon.apache.org <dev@cocoon.apache.org> Subject: Re: Now that the release is out, what's next? Like Chris, I never could adapt to the build and Spring changes in Cocoon 2.2, and continued (until a few years ago) to develop projects from Cocoon 2.1 (v2.1.13). I love and am still passionate about the original 2.1 framework, having used it since 2002. In fact, I would still be using it if not for security, and other, challenges with the old code. The thing that drew me to Cocoon in the first place was the terrific pipeline transformer architecture: it really fit the text transforming ability of XSLT. It is something I greatly miss in Python. I like the idea of using GitHub (https://github.com/apache/cocoon), as it may expose more people to the project. In this regard, explaining what Cocoon does, benefits of using it etc., might attract some passers by. Thank you to all of you, who have, over the years, contributed and participated in this beautiful piece of software. Dan =========== On 2023-11-21 6:46 a.m., Peter Hunsberger wrote: On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:15 AM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de<mailto:christofer.d...@c-ware.de>> wrote: Well guess I haven't stated it yet: I would be willing to work on it (I've especially for some ideas on streaming industrial data from plc4x). Personally I would let the pre-2.2 branch rest in peace. All is dependencies are so extremely old and the jdks for some are no longer available. At least I probably wouldn't touch it and focus on the "middle"... +1 ! Possibly have a look at 3.0 (haven't done that yet). I tried using 3.0 for a project. Some good ideas and simple enough implementation but I don't think there is enough there for it to be worth saving.... Chris Gesendet von Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Cédric Damioli <cdami...@apache.org<mailto:cdami...@apache.org>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 3:47:14 PM To: dev@cocoon.apache.org<mailto:dev@cocoon.apache.org> <dev@cocoon.apache.org<mailto:dev@cocoon.apache.org>> Subject: Re: Now that the release is out, what's next? Hi, On top of that, as a community, we now have to formally answer to the below question (going or not to the Attic) not only once, but three times, one time for each subproject we still officially maintain since more than 10 years : - Cocoon 2.1.x (pre-Spring, pre-Maven). Last release 2.1.13 was rolled out 3 years ago. - Cocoon 2.2x (now 2.3.x). Last release these days. - Cocoon 3.0.x. Last release 3.0.0-alpha-3 back in 2011 Those 3 versions are not compatible with each other, are not meant as drop-in replacements, and have evolved differently over the years. The community could either decide to stop the project as-is and go to the Attic, or start over maintaining only one or two branches. Cédric Le 19/11/2023 à 18:20, Christofer Dutz a écrit : Hi folks, So, it seems that we finally have finished the last missing steps to formally get the release out the door. Now I think comes a time where we should reflect and discuss, what should happen with the Project. So instead of simply saying: Releasing it was such a struggle (not technically, but from a participation side) I wouldn’t say this project is healthy and we should discuss a move into the Attic. However, I could also imagine that the changes I implemented in the build might encourage some folks to give it another go. I know when I was doing projects with Cocoon as part of my day-job 20 years ago, Cocoon 2.2 sort of completely broke my flow. Not only my inexperience with Maven, but also that of Spring and the versioning scheme where all sorts of cocoon modules had different versions just made me give up at that time and switch to Adobe Flex ;-) Now (15 years later) Maven and Spring have evolved and with the cleanups in the build, it should be a lot simpler to work with Cocoon and with all modules sharing the same version, also this should be a lot simpler. So, I would like to ask you folks: * Should we aim directly for the Attic? * Does anyone want to revive the project? (I’m intentionally not only addressing committers and PMC members, but also people wanting to keep the project alive) Chris -- Cédric Damioli CMS - Java - Open Source www.ametys.org<http://www.ametys.org>
