On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 09:17:43 -0800, Gary Gregory wrote:
Note that we can change the name Apache Commons Math to Apache
Commons
Cutesy name as well as turn it into a multi-module project. You do
not need
a TLP to do that.
AFAICT, the real issue is one of policy: Commons is supposed to be
stable,
stable, stable and stable (IIUC).
And CM is far from being mature as a programming project, when
considering
design and scope, and not only the quality of its results and
performance
(which are both good in many cases).
So stability (as in using JDK 5 only) is not a good perspective (surely
not
developers and probably not for users either IMO).
If this does not change, what's the point indeed?
I see lots of email about name change but not many about why this
component
would better serve its community under a TLP and/or different PMC
and/or
policies.
My take on that has been shared on several occasions.
You are right quite right that the people who previously opposed the
creation of a different TLP did not say much, if anything, about what
has changed since then.
And, more importantly, what will change, as you point out here and as
I did in the other thread ("Volunteer for the new TLP PMC").
Gilles
Where's the beef?! ;-)
Gary
On Jan 25, 2016 9:00 AM, "Ole Ersoy" <ole.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
I like any name that is simple (It's also good if it has a nice ring
to
it). If we are hoping to incorporate more modules from other
projects then
perhaps 'apache-davinci'? I like 'apache-epsilon' as well.
On 01/25/2016 05:40 AM, sebb wrote:
On 25 January 2016 at 09:28, luc <l...@spaceroots.org> wrote:
Le 2016-01-25 08:52, Benedikt Ritter a écrit :
Hi,
I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous
mathematician.
In which case it has to be
Euclid or Pythagoras (early)
or
Paul Erdős - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number
and everyone has heard of
John Nash (Beautiful Mind)
etc.
In the spirit of recent discussions, how about a RNG to pick the
mathematician's name for each next incarnation?
;-)
If it has to be some thing more descriptive: Apache Commons
HttpClient
went
to Apache HttpComponents. How about Apache Math Components as TLP
name?
I quite like Apache Epsilon as a non-descriptive but related name.
[ducks behind bikshed]
Benedikt
2016-01-25 8:40 GMT+01:00 Ole Ersoy <ole.er...@gmail.com>:
Umbrella-ish is good. Linear algebra, genetic algorithms, neural
networks, clustering, monte carlo, simplex...These need an
umbrella.
Some
of the other Apache projects that do math may be interested in
moving
that
piece under the Apache Math umbrella.
Personally I like to see each in a separate repository dedicated
to the
subject, along with the corresponding documentation, etc So:
apache-math (Central repository describing the project as a
whole with
the
documentation that cuts across modules)
apache-math-linear-real
apache-math-linear-field
apache-math-optimization-genetic
apache-math-optimization-simplex
etc.
And hopefully:
apache-math-optimization-integer
apache-math-optimization-mixed
And more..
Cheers,
Ole
On 01/24/2016 04:41 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Gilles
<gil...@harfang.homelinux.org>
wrote:
Just plain and simple "Apache Math" maybe?
Or is it taken already?
It's not taken; but I thought it was too broad-sounding and in
fact
umbrella-ish. There are other ASF projects that do
math-relates
things.
I
think adding "components" makes it look more like a library of
base
components that other math-related projects can use.
Phil
Gilles
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:46:17 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
On 1/24/16 2:16 PM, James Carman wrote:
I guess it depends on the scope of what the new TLP is going
to do.
This is slightly jumping the gun, as we do have the
opportunity in
forming the new TLP to revisit the initial goals of [math];
but I
suspect that initially at least we will mostly continue to be
a
general-purpose Java math library, trying to provide
IP-clean,
easily integrated, standard algorithm-based solutions to
common math
programming problems. We have grown to the point where we
will
almost certainly break the distribution up into separate
"components." No umbrella, but likely multiple release
artifacts.
Similar in some ways to what happened with [http], which is
why I
suggested the same approach to naming.
Regarding picking a mathematician for the name, I don't much
like
that idea as whoever you choose, you end up loading some math
area
and / or cultural bias into the name.
Phil
Umbrella projects aren't that popular these days, from what I
understand.
Maybe an homage to a famous mathematician? Apache Newton?
Apache
Euler?
Apache Euclid?
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 4:08 PM Phil Steitz
<phil.ste...@gmail.com
>
wrote:
We need to agree on a name. My own preference is for a
boring,
descriptive name, but I am manifestly not a marketing guy,
so
won't
be offended if others want to be more creative.
My suggestion is
MathComponents
I would be happy with either Math Components or Math.
Also I do favor fancy acronyms that read exactly as well known
names (23 years ago, the name of my first mathematics library was
an acronym that read "Cantor"), it is probably not a good idea for
this new TLP.
In any case, the project will most probably be de facto an
umbrella
project as modularizing it seems in the current mood.
best regards,
Luc
Hearkens back to HttpComponents, which has worked pretty well.
Phil
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