If you're going to share the annotations between projects, why not use a JSR package for it like the google one? I thought the idea of embedding the annotations in [lang] was to prevent the need for the dependency and to use it internally, not as a public annotation for other projects to use.
On 27 November 2016 at 19:55, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Are you suggesting [lang] becomes a multi-module project? > > Gary > > On Nov 27, 2016 5:01 PM, "sebb" <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 28 November 2016 at 00:11, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 4:09 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On 27 November 2016 at 23:51, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 3:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> On 27 November 2016 at 22:31, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com > > > > >> wrote: > > >> >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:14 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> On 27 November 2016 at 22:03, Gary Gregory < > > garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> > These annotations are the SAME as have been published all over > > the > > >> >> place, > > >> >> >> > so I do not think we need a PR for review. Reviewing the code > in > > >> the > > >> >> repo > > >> >> >> > should be enough, but I'm not sure _what_ there is to review > > >> really. > > >> >> I've > > >> >> >> > already posted a link to the sources (a pastebin link). I'll > > >> create a > > >> >> >> Jira > > >> >> >> > of course. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> There is one aspect that needs review: does the annotation > belong > > in > > >> >> LANG? > > >> >> >> If we want to use the annotation in other components, do they > > have to > > >> >> >> depend on LANG? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > No see below and previous messages. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> If not, do they all have their own copies? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > No. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> And what happens when LANG needs a non-BC release? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > What is the issue I am missing? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> The package name for the annotation might need to change > > >> >> That would be a downstream nuisance. > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > Hi All, > > >> > > > >> > How is that different than changing the package name for any of our > > other > > >> > lang types? > > >> > > >> It's not. > > >> > > >> > If you want move a package, you have to break BC and we have clear > > >> > guidelines for that task. > > >> > > >> But why should I have to change package imports for annotations just > > >> because they happen to be in LANG? > > >> > > >> Note that this could get confusing. > > >> > > >> Say XYZ component starts out only needing lang for the annotations. > > >> So they include LANG 3.x and code the annotations. > > >> > > >> Later they find they want LANG 4.x for runtime. > > >> They would then need to drop the LANG 3.x dependency, fix up all the > > >> annotation imports etc. > > >> Unnecessary work if the annotations were in a separate component. > > >> > > >> Also, any tool that wants to check the annotations will have to look > > >> for them in lots of packages. > > >> > > >> Whilst it can no doubt be made to work, it's going to cause problems > > later. > > >> > > > > > > To be on the playful side, this is what my mother calls "borrowing > > trouble" > > > ;-) > > > > > > We can future-trip ourselves in all sorts of troubles. Our imaginations > > > know no bounds! :-) > > > > This is not an imaginary scenario. > > > > We know that LANG will have a non-BC release at some point. > > The plan is to allow non-LANG components to share the LANG annotations. > > We know that components which originally don't need LANG may end up > > needing LANG at run-time. > > Therefore the problem will occur. > > > > In this case, "look before you leap" is appropriate. > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > Since already have a package called org.apache.commons.lang3. > > concurrent, > > >> I > > >> > propose we place these annottaions in > > >> > org.apache.commons.lang3.concurrent.annotation. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> My expectation for such annotations is that they would be > > >> >> >> self-contained (or built-in to the languange, not LANG). > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > It is _because_ they are NOT built-in the language or JRE that we > > are > > >> >> > proposing they belong in [lang]. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Since we are providing the annotation with CLASS retention only > > >> >> > (initially), there is no hard dependency on [lang] at runtime. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Is there some subtlety we are missing? > > >> >> > > >> >> Yes, the compile-time dependency. > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > No surprise, right? You can't use an annotation without compiling > the > > >> > source file. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> AFAIK it's not possible to have a Maven compile-only dependency; > > >> >> compile-time implies run-time. > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > That's a tooling issue of course which should not invalidate the > > >> worthiness > > >> > of this feature. > > >> > > > >> > If I am a downstream user of Commons Lang's new annotations, I would > > >> need a > > >> > Maven scope that says "I need [lang] as a compile time only > > dependency" I > > >> > do not see such a scope on > > >> > https://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/ > > introduction-to-dependency- > > >> mechanism.html#Dependency_Scope > > >> > > > >> > Time for a Jira! > > >> > > > >> > I wonder what Gradle offers users in this dept.? > > >> > > > >> > Gary > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > Gary > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Gary > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Benedikt Ritter < > > >> brit...@apache.org> > > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> Hi, > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> schrieb am So., 27. > Nov. > > >> 2016 > > >> >> um > > >> >> >> >> 21:01 Uhr: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > So let's start with the CLASS retention annotations first. > > I'll > > >> >> commit > > >> >> >> >> > later today. > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Maybe create a GitHub PR so people can have a look before it > > goes > > >> to > > >> >> >> >> master? > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Benedikt > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > Gary > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > On Nov 27, 2016 9:50 AM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > I feel like documenting thread safety in such a low > level, > > >> widely > > >> >> >> used > > >> >> >> >> > > library like [lang] is a great idea. Whether it uses > > >> annotations, > > >> >> >> >> > javadocs, > > >> >> >> >> > > or some sort of informal javadoc comments isn't too big a > > >> deal to > > >> >> >> me, > > >> >> >> >> but > > >> >> >> >> > > providing some guarantees of thread safety or lack > thereof > > >> would > > >> >> be > > >> >> >> >> > > invaluable information. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > On 27 November 2016 at 07:11, Benedikt Ritter < > > >> >> brit...@apache.org> > > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > I thought we decided to abstain from documenting thread > > >> safety > > >> >> >> since > > >> >> >> >> it > > >> >> >> >> > > > would get outdated quickly anyway. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> schrieb am So., > > 27. > > >> Nov. > > >> >> >> 2016 > > >> >> >> >> um > > >> >> >> >> > > > 09:11 Uhr: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > But if we then want a runtime version we had an odd > > >> packaging > > >> >> >> with > > >> >> >> >> > > CLASS > > >> >> >> >> > > > > retention in .concurrent. and RUNTIME in > > >> .concurrent.runtime. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > I might be in YAGNI territory here... > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > Gary > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Matt Sicker < > > >> >> boa...@gmail.com > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I think adding the additional clazz/runtime package > > >> would > > >> >> be a > > >> >> >> >> > little > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > overkill if you only include one packaging option > for > > >> now. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > On 27 November 2016 at 00:04, Gary Gregory < > > >> >> >> >> garydgreg...@gmail.com > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > On Nov 26, 2016 8:40 PM, "Matt Sicker" < > > >> boa...@gmail.com > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > I can think of a couple use cases for runtime > > >> retention > > >> >> >> for > > >> >> >> >> > > thread > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > safety > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > annotations, but they're not specific to > commons > > >> lang. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > 1. A framework could choose what type of data > > >> >> structure or > > >> >> >> >> > > > algorithm > > >> >> >> >> > > > > to > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > use > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > at runtime based on the presence of which > thread > > >> safety > > >> >> >> >> > > annotation > > >> >> >> >> > > > is > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > on. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Same for mutability. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > 2. A testing framework could use these > > annotations > > >> to > > >> >> try > > >> >> >> and > > >> >> >> >> > > > > automate > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > some > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > sort of thread safety tests, though that sounds > > >> like a > > >> >> >> hard > > >> >> >> >> > > problem > > >> >> >> >> > > > > to > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > actually implement. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > However, it'd be easier to just start with > class > > >> >> retention > > >> >> >> >> (or > > >> >> >> >> > > > source > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > retention) just for documentation purposes. > > Higher > > >> >> >> retention > > >> >> >> >> > > levels > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > could > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > be added later if an important use case came > up. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > But which packaging option? > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Gary > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > On 26 November 2016 at 19:56, Gary Gregory < > > >> >> >> >> > > garydgreg...@gmail.com > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 3:54 PM, sebb < > > >> >> seb...@gmail.com > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > On 26 November 2016 at 19:25, Gary Gregory > < > > >> >> >> >> > > > > garydgreg...@gmail.com > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > On a [crypto] thread, I mentioned > > >> >> >> >> > > > http://pastebin.com/RKPGGdJ9 > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > to > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > add > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > the > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > "classic" four > javax.annotation.concurrent > > >> >> >> annotations > > >> >> >> >> to > > >> >> >> >> > > two > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > packages > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > (.clazz and .runtime) in Commons Lang for > > >> CLASS > > >> >> and > > >> >> >> >> > RUNTIME > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > retentions. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > You'd use the CLASS version to avoid a > hard > > >> >> >> dependency > > >> >> >> >> on > > >> >> >> >> > > > > [lang]. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > RUNTIME > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > to keep them around. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > We'd use the CLASS versions in all of > > Commons > > >> for > > >> >> >> >> > > documenting > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > thread > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > safety. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Definitely Class retention, not Runtime. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > You don't want to have to include the > > annotation > > >> >> jar > > >> >> >> on > > >> >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> >> > > > > runtime > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > classpath. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Hi Sebb, > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Right now I have both of these packages: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > - org.apache.commons.lang3. > > >> >> annotation.concurrent.clazz > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > - org.apache.commons.lang3. > > >> >> >> annotation.concurrent.runtime > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Each with a copy of: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > GuardedBy > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Immutable > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > NotThreadSafe > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ThreadSafe > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Should we include what I have as is? > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > If we were to only provide the annotation at > > the > > >> >> CLASS > > >> >> >> >> > > retention > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > level, > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > should we still package them in > > >> >> >> >> > ...annotation.concurrent.clazz > > >> >> >> >> > > in > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > case > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > we > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > want to provide annotation.concurrent.runtime > > >> later? > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > If we know for certain we never want to > provide > > >> >> RUNTIME > > >> >> >> >> > > > retention, > > >> >> >> >> > > > > we > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > can > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > put them all in annotation.concurrent now. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Gary > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > [I don't know why the annotations 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> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/ > > product/1935182021/ref=as_li_ > > >> >> >> >> > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative= > > 9325&creativeASIN=1935182021& > > >> >> >> >> > > > linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId= > > >> >> >> >> 31ecd1f6b6d1eaf8886ac902a24de4 > > >> >> >> >> > > 18%22 > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > <http://// > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1& > > >> >> >> a=1935182021 > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > Spring Batch in Action > > >> >> >> >> > > > > < > > >> >> >> >> > > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/ > > product/1935182951/ref=as_li_ > > >> >> >> >> > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative= > > 9325&creativeASIN=1935182951& > > >> >> >> >> > > > linkCode=%7B%7BlinkCode%7D%7D& > > >> tag=garygregory-20&linkId=%7B% > > >> >> >> >> > > > 7Blink_id%7D%7D%22%3ESpring+Batch+in+Action > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > <http://// > > >> >> >> >> 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