Ah, ok, what I have in there now is in our own package. Gary
On Nov 27, 2016 8:06 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, HttpClient used to have the same (or similar) thread safety > annotations for documentation purposes, and I think they were just custom > annotations and not the javax ones. > > On 27 November 2016 at 20:50, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 27, 2016 6:46 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'd be in favor of just including this as an internal annotation > similar > > to > > > how it's done in HttpClient. > > > > What does that mean specifically? FWIW, I think those annotations might > be > > gone in the current svn trunk. > > > > Gary > > > > > > On 27 November 2016 at 20:44, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I do not think we should use an official Java package because the JSR > > 305 > > > > page says "The Executive Committee voted to list this JSR as dormant > in > > May > > > > 2012." > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > On Nov 27, 2016 6:39 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you're going to share the annotations between projects, why not > > use a > > > > > JSR package for it like the google one? I thought the idea of > > embedding > > > > the > > > > > annotations in [lang] was to prevent the need for the dependency > and > > to > > > > use > > > > > it internally, not as a public annotation for other projects to > use. > > > > > > > > > > On 27 November 2016 at 19:55, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Are you suggesting [lang] becomes a multi-module project? > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 27, 2016 5:01 PM, "sebb" <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 November 2016 at 00:11, Gary Gregory < > > garydgreg...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 4:09 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 27 November 2016 at 23:51, Gary Gregory < > > > > garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 3:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> On 27 November 2016 at 22:31, Gary Gregory < > > > > > garydgreg...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:14 PM, sebb < > seb...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> On 27 November 2016 at 22:03, Gary Gregory < > > > > > > > garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> > These annotations are the SAME as have been > published > > all > > > > > over > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> >> place, > > > > > > > >> >> >> > so I do not think we need a PR for review. Reviewing > > the > > > > > code > > > > > > in > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> >> repo > > > > > > > >> >> >> > should be enough, but I'm not sure _what_ there is > to > > > > review > > > > > > > >> really. > > > > > > > >> >> I've > > > > > > > >> >> >> > already posted a link to the sources (a pastebin > > link). > > > > I'll > > > > > > > >> create a > > > > > > > >> >> >> Jira > > > > > > > >> >> >> > of course. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> There is one aspect that needs review: does the > > annotation > > > > > > belong > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > >> >> LANG? > > > > > > > >> >> >> If we want to use the annotation in other components, > do > > > > they > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > >> >> >> depend on LANG? > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > No see below and previous messages. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> If not, do they all have their own copies? > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > No. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> And what happens when LANG needs a non-BC release? > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > What is the issue I am missing? > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> The package name for the annotation might need to change > > > > > > > >> >> That would be a downstream nuisance. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi All, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > How is that different than changing the package name for > any > > of > > > > > our > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > >> > lang types? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> It's not. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > If you want move a package, you have to break BC and we > have > > > > clear > > > > > > > >> > guidelines for that task. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> But why should I have to change package imports for > > annotations > > > > just > > > > > > > >> because they happen to be in LANG? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Note that this could get confusing. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Say XYZ component starts out only needing lang for the > > > > annotations. > > > > > > > >> So they include LANG 3.x and code the annotations. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Later they find they want LANG 4.x for runtime. > > > > > > > >> They would then need to drop the LANG 3.x dependency, fix up > > all > > > > the > > > > > > > >> annotation imports etc. > > > > > > > >> Unnecessary work if the annotations were in a separate > > component. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Also, any tool that wants to check the annotations will have > > to > > > > look > > > > > > > >> for them in lots of packages. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Whilst it can no doubt be made to work, it's going to cause > > > > problems > > > > > > > later. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be on the playful side, this is what my mother calls > > "borrowing > > > > > > > trouble" > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can future-trip ourselves in all sorts of troubles. Our > > > > > imaginations > > > > > > > > know no bounds! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not an imaginary scenario. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that LANG will have a non-BC release at some point. > > > > > > > The plan is to allow non-LANG components to share the LANG > > > > annotations. > > > > > > > We know that components which originally don't need LANG may > end > > up > > > > > > > needing LANG at run-time. > > > > > > > Therefore the problem will occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, "look before you leap" is appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Since already have a package called > > org.apache.commons.lang3. > > > > > > > concurrent, > > > > > > > >> I > > > > > > > >> > propose we place these annottaions in > > > > > > > >> > org.apache.commons.lang3.concurrent.annotation. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> My expectation for such annotations is that they would > > be > > > > > > > >> >> >> self-contained (or built-in to the languange, not > LANG). > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > It is _because_ they are NOT built-in the language or > JRE > > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > >> >> > proposing they belong in [lang]. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Since we are providing the annotation with CLASS > > retention > > > > only > > > > > > > >> >> > (initially), there is no hard dependency on [lang] at > > > > runtime. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Is there some subtlety we are missing? > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> Yes, the compile-time dependency. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > No surprise, right? You can't use an annotation without > > > > compiling > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> > source file. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> AFAIK it's not possible to have a Maven compile-only > > > > dependency; > > > > > > > >> >> compile-time implies run-time. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > That's a tooling issue of course which should not > invalidate > > the > > > > > > > >> worthiness > > > > > > > >> > of this feature. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > If I am a downstream user of Commons Lang's new > annotations, > > I > > > > > would > > > > > > > >> need a > > > > > > > >> > Maven scope that says "I need [lang] as a compile time > only > > > > > > > dependency" I > > > > > > > >> > do not see such a scope on > > > > > > > >> > https://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/ > > > > > > > introduction-to-dependency- > > > > > > > >> mechanism.html#Dependency_Scope > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Time for a Jira! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I wonder what Gradle offers users in this dept.? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Gary > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > Gary > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > Gary > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Benedikt Ritter < > > > > > > > >> brit...@apache.org> > > > > > > > >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Hi, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> schrieb am > > So., > > > > 27. > > > > > > Nov. > > > > > > > >> 2016 > > > > > > > >> >> um > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> 21:01 Uhr: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > So let's start with the CLASS retention > annotations > > > > > first. > > > > > > > I'll > > > > > > > >> >> commit > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > later today. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Maybe create a GitHub PR so people can have a look > > before > > > > > it > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> master? > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Benedikt > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Gary > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > On Nov 27, 2016 9:50 AM, "Matt Sicker" < > > > > boa...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > I feel like documenting thread safety in such a > > low > > > > > > level, > > > > > > > >> widely > > > > > > > >> >> >> used > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > library like [lang] is a great idea. Whether it > > uses > > > > > > > >> annotations, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > javadocs, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > or some sort of informal javadoc comments isn't > > too > > > > > big a > > > > > > > >> deal to > > > > > > > >> >> >> me, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> but > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > providing some guarantees of thread safety or > > lack > > > > > > thereof > > > > > > > >> would > > > > > > > >> >> be > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > invaluable information. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > On 27 November 2016 at 07:11, Benedikt Ritter < > > > > > > > >> >> brit...@apache.org> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > I thought we decided to abstain from > > documenting > > > > > thread > > > > > > > >> safety > > > > > > > >> >> >> since > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> it > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > would get outdated quickly anyway. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > schrieb > > am > > > > > So., > > > > > > > 27. > > > > > > > >> Nov. > > > > > > > >> >> >> 2016 > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> um > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > 09:11 Uhr: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > But if we then want a runtime version we > had > > an > > > > odd > > > > > > > >> packaging > > > > > > > >> >> >> with > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > CLASS > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > retention in .concurrent. and RUNTIME in > > > > > > > >> .concurrent.runtime. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > I might be in YAGNI territory here... > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > Gary > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Matt > Sicker > > < > > > > > > > >> >> boa...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I think adding the additional > clazz/runtime > > > > > package > > > > > > > >> would > > > > > > > >> >> be a > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > little > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > overkill if you only include one > packaging > > > > option > > > > > > for > > > > > > > >> now. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > On 27 November 2016 at 00:04, Gary > Gregory > > < > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> garydgreg...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > On Nov 26, 2016 8:40 PM, "Matt Sicker" > < > > > > > > > >> boa...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > I can think of a couple use cases for > > > > runtime > > > > > > > >> retention > > > > > > > >> >> >> for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > thread > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > safety > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > annotations, but they're not specific > > to > > > > > > commons > > > > > > > >> lang. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > 1. A framework could choose what type > > of > > > > data > > > > > > > >> >> structure or > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > algorithm > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > use > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > at runtime based on the presence of > > which > > > > > > thread > > > > > > > >> safety > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > annotation > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > is > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > on. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Same for mutability. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > 2. A testing framework could use > these > > > > > > > annotations > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > >> >> try > > > > > > > >> >> >> and > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > automate > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > some > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > sort of thread safety tests, though > > that > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > >> like a > > > > > > > >> >> >> hard > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > problem > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > actually implement. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > However, it'd be easier to just start > > with > > > > > > class > > > > > > > >> >> retention > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> (or > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > source > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > retention) just for documentation > > purposes. > > > > > > > Higher > > > > > > > >> >> >> retention > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > levels > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > could > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > be added later if an important use > case > > > > came > > > > > > up. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > But which packaging option? > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > On 26 November 2016 at 19:56, Gary > > Gregory > > > > < > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > garydgreg...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 3:54 PM, > sebb > > < > > > > > > > >> >> seb...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > On 26 November 2016 at 19:25, > Gary > > > > > Gregory > > > > > > < > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > garydgreg...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > On a [crypto] thread, I > mentioned > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > http://pastebin.com/RKPGGdJ9 > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > add > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > "classic" four > > > > > > javax.annotation.concurrent > > > > > > > >> >> >> annotations > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > two > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > packages > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > (.clazz and .runtime) in > Commons > > Lang > > > > > for > > > > > > > >> CLASS > > > > > > > >> >> and > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > RUNTIME > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > retentions. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > You'd use the CLASS version to > > avoid > > > > a > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > >> >> >> dependency > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> on > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > [lang]. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > RUNTIME > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > to keep them around. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > We'd use the CLASS versions in > > all of > > > > > > > Commons > > > > > > > >> for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > documenting > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > thread > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > safety. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Definitely Class retention, not > > > > Runtime. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > You don't want to have to include > > the > > > > > > > annotation > > > > > > > >> >> jar > > > > > > > >> >> >> on > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > runtime > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > classpath. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Hi Sebb, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Right now I have both of these > > packages: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > - org.apache.commons.lang3. > > > > > > > >> >> annotation.concurrent.clazz > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > - org.apache.commons.lang3. > > > > > > > >> >> >> annotation.concurrent.runtime > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Each with a copy of: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > GuardedBy > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Immutable > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > NotThreadSafe > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ThreadSafe > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Should we include what I have as > is? > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > If we were to only provide the > > annotation > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> >> CLASS > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > retention > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > level, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > should we still package them in > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > ...annotation.concurrent.clazz > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > in > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > case > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > we > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > want to provide > > > > > annotation.concurrent.runtime > > > > > > > >> later? > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > If we know for certain we never > want > > to > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > >> >> RUNTIME > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > retention, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > we > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > can > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > put them all in > annotation.concurrent > > > > now. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > [I don't know why the annotations > > were > > > > > ever > > > > > > > >> >> considered > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > suitable > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > runtime] > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com > | > > > > > > > >> >> >> ggreg...@apache.org > > 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