I do not think we need "Project", we're not a 70s progrock band ;-)
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 07:45 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > Here’s a potential logo that I mocked up and sent to Kenneth. Does anyone > have any opinions on this? I felt like something similar to the one that > Sally sent across for the HTTP project seemed reasonable. > > Also, I think that it’s not exactly adherent to the style guide and that > Kenneth plans on putting something together that’s analogous and adhere’s > to the style guide. > > Thoughts? -Rob > > > > On Sep 9, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The KISS solution would be to get "Central" to produce not just the Commons > logo but one for each component and be done. The even simpler path is to > forgo component specific logos, especially since Commons is just one Apache > project. I like simpler... > > Gary > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 15:08 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Hi. > > Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a écrit : > > > Thank you, Gilles. > > I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. I was > > talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy to > explore options for a future design. > > Just curious, who on this transmission is at ApacheCon this week. Having > worked with Sally in the past on an ad-hoc logo for the DC road show > earlier this year, I could sit down with her and see if we can get > something analogous to what we have in place currently that satisfies > everyone (granted my designs tend to be minimalist in nature). > > Thoughts? > > -Rob > > > I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the > > feather". It's important that if we choose to use an ASF-feather-inspired > motif that it doesn't look like it's a "broken" version of the original. > > > It was certainly not the intention. > It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down > to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of > reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). > > Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the feather, > > among other adjustments. > > > Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" > than a rotation. ;-) > [But if they are allowed, then fine.] > > Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to working > > with you. > > > Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I > mentioned in the previous message, and the community can > converge on a few ideas to help with the design. > > Best regards, > Gilles > > > Best, > Sally > > - - - > Vice President Marketing & Publicity > Vice President Sponsor Relations > The Apache Software Foundation > > Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > > Hello. > > Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a écrit : > > > Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. > > Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the feather > > where possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit of a > problem with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server logo: > > > - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo > - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ > - new logo > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg > > > So is the choice between > * use the exact same feather as the foundation's > * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather > ? > > Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the look of > > the logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive footprint > across so many projects. > > > To that end, may I ask a favor? > > Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering > > having Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing & > Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? > > > Help from experts is welcome. > > If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. > > > I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change the > projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] > > ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the > > discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet your > needs. > > > I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] > * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project > (feather included, if applicable) > * No URL > * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] > * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can > easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted > in "Commons" [4] > > ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the > > timeframe between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for us to > have a few proposals developed. > > > Great. > > If this works for you, we can get started this week. > > > Fine with me. > > If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo with the > > intention of revisiting and updating in future. > > > Now is a good time. > Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the few > who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are failing > what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] > > Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. > > Warm regards, > Sally > > > Thank you very much for the offer, > Gilles > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 > [2] Discussion thread: > https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp > [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA > > pages: > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa > I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. > [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ > [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using > the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly > consensual) idea for the feather orientation. > [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to provide > idea and a few examples. > > > Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > > Hello. > > We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache > project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the > foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use > the result in order to compose its own logo. > > Case in point is here: > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg > > (where the feather has been rotated). > > Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in > the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] > > Thank you, > Gilles Sadowski > > [1] > > https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > >
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