Could we please use *one* (and the original) thread to collect ideas? Gilles
Le dim. 15 sept. 2019 à 19:47, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > > On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I do not think we need "Project", we're not a 70s progrock band ;-) > > I like the Alan Parsons Project, a little :-P > > > >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 07:45 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Here’s a potential logo that I mocked up and sent to Kenneth. Does anyone > >> have any opinions on this? I felt like something similar to the one that > >> Sally sent across for the HTTP project seemed reasonable. > >> > >> Also, I think that it’s not exactly adherent to the style guide and that > >> Kenneth plans on putting something together that’s analogous and adhere’s > >> to the style guide. > >> > >> Thoughts? -Rob > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> The KISS solution would be to get "Central" to produce not just the > >>> Commons > >>> logo but one for each component and be done. The even simpler path is to > >>> forgo component specific logos, especially since Commons is just one > >>> Apache > >>> project. I like simpler... > >>> > >>> Gary > >>> > >>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 15:08 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi. > >>>>> > >>>>>> Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a écrit > >>>>>> : > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you, Gilles. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. I was > >>>> talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy to > >>>> explore options for a future design. > >>>> > >>>> Just curious, who on this transmission is at ApacheCon this week. Having > >>>> worked with Sally in the past on an ad-hoc logo for the DC road show > >>>> earlier this year, I could sit down with her and see if we can get > >>>> something analogous to what we have in place currently that satisfies > >>>> everyone (granted my designs tend to be minimalist in nature). > >>>> > >>>> Thoughts? > >>>> > >>>> -Rob > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the > >>>> feather". It's important that if we choose to use an ASF-feather-inspired > >>>> motif that it doesn't look like it's a "broken" version of the original. > >>>>> > >>>>> It was certainly not the intention. > >>>>> It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down > >>>>> to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of > >>>>> reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). > >>>>> > >>>>>> Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the feather, > >>>> among other adjustments. > >>>>> > >>>>> Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" > >>>>> than a rotation. ;-) > >>>>> [But if they are allowed, then fine.] > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to working > >>>> with you. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I > >>>>> mentioned in the previous message, and the community can > >>>>> converge on a few ideas to help with the design. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> Gilles > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best, > >>>>>> Sally > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - - - > >>>>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity > >>>>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations > >>>>>> The Apache Software Foundation > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > >>>>>>> Hello. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a > >>>>>>>> écrit : > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the feather > >>>> where possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit of a > >>>> problem with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server logo: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo > >>>>>>>> - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ > >>>>>>>> - new logo > >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So is the choice between > >>>>>>> * use the exact same feather as the foundation's > >>>>>>> * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather > >>>>>>> ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the look of > >>>> the logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive footprint > >>>> across so many projects. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> To that end, may I ask a favor? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering > >>>> having Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing & > >>>> Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Help from experts is welcome. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change the > >>>>>>> projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the > >>>> discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet your > >>>> needs. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] > >>>>>>> * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project > >>>>>>> (feather included, if applicable) > >>>>>>> * No URL > >>>>>>> * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] > >>>>>>> * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can > >>>>>>> easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted > >>>>>>> in "Commons" [4] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the > >>>> timeframe between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for us to > >>>> have a few proposals developed. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Great. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If this works for you, we can get started this week. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Fine with me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo with the > >>>> intention of revisiting and updating in future. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Now is a good time. > >>>>>>> Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the few > >>>>>>> who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are failing > >>>>>>> what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Warm regards, > >>>>>>>> Sally > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thank you very much for the offer, > >>>>>>> Gilles > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 > >>>>>>> [2] Discussion thread: > >>>>>>> https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp > >>>>>>> [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA > >>>> pages: > >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa > >>>>>>> I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. > >>>>>>> [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ > >>>>>>> [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using > >>>>>>> the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly > >>>>>>> consensual) idea for the feather orientation. > >>>>>>> [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to provide > >>>>>>> idea and a few examples. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Hello. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache > >>>>>>>>> project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the > >>>>>>>>> foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use > >>>>>>>>> the result in order to compose its own logo. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Case in point is here: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg > >>>>>>>>> (where the feather has been rotated). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in > >>>>>>>>> the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you, > >>>>>>>>> Gilles Sadowski > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>> https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
