Hi Michael,
Thanks for the update :-)
I thought you were working on the Specs for S7 communication and the MindSphere
licensing issues, which were preventing me from implementing any support for
the Siemens offering in the projects I'm involved in.
Didn't know you were also digging into an ASF MindSphere account. But I guess
multiple beaks picking might help... and I was told on multiple occasions
(MindSphere Community Meetup and SPS IPC Drives) that it should generally be
possible for the ASF to be treated as a research or educational entity as we
indeed don't make money with our involvement.
Usually the first response was: "But you can use the way cheaper basic profile
do develop your stuff."
I guess me pretty bluntly telling them that I will not pay any amount of money
and then invest my free time for building something I give to Siemens as a
present, which in turn would be quite a benefit for Siemens. I usually told
them, if they want to be invited to the open-source party, they shouldn't
charge an entrance fee.
Also I was told that there is no automatic process of accepting/denying the
application for an academic account and that indeed Apache does sound like a
good candidate. Also I guess Siemens has more to win than to loose by giving us
access.
So I guess I'll work with Roman in maybe getting the ASF an account, and hope
that your work might help with that little license issue there still is. So as
soon as that's dealt with, we can start working.
Chris
Am 16.12.18, 22:02 schrieb "Michael Osipov" <micha...@apache.org>:
Am 2018-12-13 um 09:28 schrieb Christofer Dutz:
> Hi all,
>
> currently the production industry is all about “industry 4.0” and this
mainly covers topics like: Cloud, BigData, Machine Learning … while we know
that Apache has a lot to offer in that regard.
> Still Siemens is doing a lot in promoting their MindSphere platform and
are gaining some traction in the industry.
>
> Especially in the IoT projects of Apache it would be great to be able to
talk to that platform the same way we can with Azure, Google, AWS, …
unfortunately an insanely expensive membership is needed.
>
> In all of my recent meetings with Siemens, I always underlined that I
would love to support MindSphere, but I and I bet most others here at Apache
are definitely not going to pay 10k€/year in order to develop software for
Siemens in my free time. Now after a lot of constant nagging on different
occasions, I was told that even if Apache is not a research or academic
institiution, they would be willing to grant the ASF the same status. However
someone with the formal capacity to do so would have to fill out the form.
>
> So my question is: Would there be an interest in this? And who should I
involve in this?
Christofer,
I did not forget you. I am still on it. Actually on both -- S7 spec and
MindSphere legal. I do have a contact now from Digital Factory who can
provide sufficient information for S7. I went to Nuremberg on Wed/Thu
for the MindSphere stuff, but unfortunately my intermediate contact has
got sick. As far as I remember our last discussion with the MindSphere
board, they did not fully understand our rationale. I'll try to setup a
Circuit meeting with me, her (intermediate), them and you. I'll hand
over the mic to you and you can speak your mind.
Btw, I do have now an admin tenant access to the IoT Value Plan and was
happily able to simulate a toilet flush with JMeter and the Time Series API.
Regards,
Michael
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